Can Google Sites and Google Classroom Collaborate Effectively?

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Hello everybody and welcome

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to the TeacherCast Educational Network.

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My name is Jeff Bradbury.

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Thank you so much for

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This is Ask the Tech Coach

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podcast episode number 254.

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Today we're going to be

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talking about a subject

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that I love sharing,

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not only in the classroom,

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but also at conferences.

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Today,

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we're going to be talking about

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Google Sites,

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talking about how you can create one,

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why you should create one,

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and when is a website not a website?

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We have a fantastic guest on

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today from halfway across the planet,

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and we're going to be

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talking about what you can

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actually do with Google

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Sites that's a little bit in the box.

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but a little bit out of the box.

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So stick around.

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We've got a fantastic

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My guest today and I kind of

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met in a weird way.

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I started to put together a

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website for my new

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technology teaching position,

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and I wanted to figure out

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how to best use Google Sites.

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Now,

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you guys know I've done courses on

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Google Sites.

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I've done ISTE presentations

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on Google Sites,

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but I wanted to see what

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non-education was looking for.

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So I started to find

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Facebook groups of Google Sites.

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I started to find different

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uses of Google Sites out in the wild.

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And I came across a website

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called Kirksville Web Design.

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Now,

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this guy is doing amazing things using

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Google Sites.

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He is transforming the

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platform into things that I

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never thought was possible.

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And he's here today to talk

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all about how you can

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leverage Google Sites in your classroom.

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I want to bring on today Mr. Kyle Horst.

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Kyle, how are you today?

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Welcome to Ask the Tech Coach.

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Hey, doing good.

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Congratulations on your new site,

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by the way.

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It looked great.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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I've been having fun with it.

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We moved it to a brand new

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platform a few weeks ago.

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I mean, we're still on WordPress,

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but I changed hosts.

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It is super fast.

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It is screaming fast.

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And, you know,

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the content that we're

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putting out is amazing.

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We're just going to be doing

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a lot of great things on that.

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So first of all, thank you so much.

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And, and, you know,

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I mentioned in the intro,

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you're from halfway across

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the planet from where I am right now.

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Tell everybody where you are

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and tell us a little bit about yourself.

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Yeah, sure thing.

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So I am a St.

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Louis, Missouri native.

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And, uh, you may, you know, notice this,

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uh, you know,

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from work with Kirksville

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web design and that's my, my business.

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Uh,

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Kirksville is actually a small town in

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Missouri where, uh, went to college, uh,

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Truman state university is over there.

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And so started this small little, you know,

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Google sites building venture, uh, there,

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and it just has grown, uh, since then.

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So yeah,

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I'm a Google sites designer developer.

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and that sees me in all

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certain different spheres

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whether it's like in the

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educational sector private

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sector building intranets

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for companies it's just all

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over the place and so I'm

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really glad to be part of

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the this google product

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community and all the ways

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that you know kind of

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filter into facebook or you

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know how teachers are using

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it I'm really impressed by

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all the way that uh you

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know google workspace for education and

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all those users users are

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taking advantage of it

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really uh wonderful now we

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mentioned halfway across

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the world and people might

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be scratching their heads

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going wait a minute jeff

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you're in connecticut st

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louis is not halfway across

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Yeah, sorry about that.

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It's 9 o'clock in the

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morning and it's almost 10 o'clock,

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I think, for you.

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Where are you right now?

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Yeah, sorry.

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Yeah, I'm from St.

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Louis, but I'm now in Taipei, Taiwan.

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So that is where I'm talking

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to you from right now in my

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little cozy city apartment.

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And how did you get from St.

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Louis to Taiwan?

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uh I mean that in itself is

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an interesting story so it

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relates to my bible work my

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bible ministry and my

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volunteer work and so that

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actually is what

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transplanted me from

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missouri where I started uh

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teaching and preaching to

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the chinese community there

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and then went to tai taiwan

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to improve my language

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skills uh so my wife and I

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continue that volunteer

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work here so it really had

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nothing to do like business

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wise it was uh

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You know,

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I just took my laptop from

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Missouri to Taipei and

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continue to do the same work that I do.

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I love it.

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I love the opportunity to go

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out and to share the messages and,

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you know,

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but you still have those connections.

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I have to ask here because, you know,

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I've been in the website

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business since forever at this point.

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You know, I started doing,

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I'll say in quotes,

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professional websites when I was 15,

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right?

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Yeah.

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I found you online doing

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professional Google Sites

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and I just smiled and I said,

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how is somebody creating a

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business out of Google Sites?

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Like they're easy, they're this,

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they're that.

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But you've had the

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opportunity to really dive

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into this and create pieces of art.

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I mean, they really are.

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You've got a lot of great things going.

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How and why Google Sites?

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I mean,

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I always been really interested in

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what Google was doing as a company.

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Uh,

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and so I was always infatuated with

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whether apps, you know,

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whether it was like Google plus,

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when that came out or, uh, you know,

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I mean,

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of course teachers have this whole,

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you know,

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different app dashboard of like

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Google classroom and stuff and,

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and they use Google sites.

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So I was always, always interested in, uh,

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in these applications.

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uh Google of course is no

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Google sites is no code uh

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it's free so there was no

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like threshold you know to

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to stop me no obstacles so

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you can just start building

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sites right away like

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anyone can and so that's

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why I started doing you

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know some like 13 14 years

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ago I started building Google sites and

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No one has really carved out this,

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this niche.

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No.

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It's like you Google around,

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you try to find Google sites, designers,

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Google sites, developers.

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It's like, you know,

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one or two guys who are doing it.

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Um,

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it has grown actually recently interest

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in it.

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And just because I mean,

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things like no code site

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builders in general have

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become more popular, whether it's,

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you know, Wix or Squarespace.

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or Framer, Webflow.

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There's all sorts of different solutions.

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So it's not like Google

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Sites is out of the question.

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It's in that same ballpark.

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It's just perhaps more

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simplified as a platform for building.

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So you do have to work

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within the limitations a

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little bit and get creative.

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But that's what I try to do,

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push the boundaries as much as possible,

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what can be done.

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And then sometimes I hit a brick wall,

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but that's just how it goes.

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It's still 100% responsive.

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It's still 100% uptime and reliable.

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So it has a lot of benefits.

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And like I said, free.

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I mean, you can't be pre-hosting forever,

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which is what Google Sites is.

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It is, right?

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It's free.

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You can always add a domain to it.

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We're going to get into some

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of the more technical stuff

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later on here.

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And I'm glad you had

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mentioned the words brick wall, right?

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Because I do a lot of

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training on Google Sites.

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I also do a lot of training

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on Microsoft products.

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And being somebody who's

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been going to different

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school districts over the last many years,

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helping them build their own intranets,

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You know,

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you've got Google Sites and then

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on the other side, you've got SharePoint.

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And people often ask,

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are they the same thing

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minus just the logo?

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And no, no, they're not.

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They shouldn't be ever confused.

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But at the same time,

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the one thing that they do

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have in common is sharing.

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You can create a website, in quotes,

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that is just for your domain.

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So it is easy to create an

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intranet system.

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And in fact, in my previous position,

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I built our entire school

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district's intranet using

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the combination of sites

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and Google Classroom.

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And I definitely want to hit

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you on a topic on that one later on.

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But should school districts,

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should businesses be

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thinking about Google Sites

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as a viable intranet option?

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And why do you think that?

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Hmm.

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I mean,

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it kind of depends on where you're

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invested, whether it is, you know,

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a Microsoft shop or, you know,

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a Google shop.

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Are you running Google

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Workspace for business,

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Google Workspace for

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education within your, you know,

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whether it's a school

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district or whether it's an

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organization or a company.

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So, I mean,

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I'm not going to tell you to like,

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you know,

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switch over completely.

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If everybody's running the

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email on Outlook,

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you don't have to jump over

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to Google Sites.

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SharePoint is the internet

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solution for Microsoft.

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Google Sites is the internet

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solution for Google Workspace.

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Do you wish that Google

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Sites was more SharePoint,

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or do you think that that's

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an advantage that Google

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has because it is a basic thing,

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whereas SharePoint, I've always...

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trained it as sharepoint is

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a massive hard drive

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database system that

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happens to have a website

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that happens to have you

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know everything is kind of

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built around that

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sharepoint is a sharepoint

0:10:51.322 --> 0:10:52.443

is the nucleus that

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everything kind of goes

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around where google sites

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is one of many applications

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google happens to create

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right right I mean I would

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say from my point of view

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sharepoint seems more

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specialized as an internet

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and more proficient

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uh for Enterprise um I think

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there's a lot more tools

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and integrations maybe

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available and sort of the

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CRM uh or CMS that's based

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with SharePoint whereas

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Google Sites uh is more of

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a general site builder it

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can be used both for for

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internets and just for

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public websites and

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business small business

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websites so you know it's

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it's that kind of more

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specified use versus a more

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generalized use that you

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see with sites versus SharePoint.

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I'm curious on your

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philosophy when building

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internal websites,

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specifically around the file structure.

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Again,

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maybe we can compare it to

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SharePoint a little bit

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where everything is in a

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team or everything is in a

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SharePoint website.

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I find often when I'm

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working with school districts,

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I have to undo a lot of

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what they've created

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because a lot of stuff is in my drive.

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And so then you have an

0:12:04.278 --> 0:12:05.437

intranet based off of

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everybody's files that they

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individually own.

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That never seems to come out

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right on the other end when

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somebody decides to leave.

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Now you've got this

0:12:14.003 --> 0:12:15.063

organizational structure

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that's built off of I own the file.

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What advice do you have or

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what theories and

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philosophies do you have if

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you were going to sit down

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and build an intranet for somebody?

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Where do you suggest keeping the files?

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Do you have a naming

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structure that you suggest?

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Where do you start when

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you're putting something

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like this together for a

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school district or a company?

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I would start with a Google

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Drive shared drive.

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So what that does is it

0:12:40.513 --> 0:12:41.714

takes the question of who

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is the owner of a document

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out of the picture.

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Essentially, in a shared drive,

0:12:47.136 --> 0:12:48.697

everyone is the owner.

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There's no specific individual.

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It becomes like a company

0:12:52.541 --> 0:12:53.481

drive at that point.

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So at any time of starting

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an intranet build out, I say,

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make a shared drive.

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And this is where we're

0:13:00.807 --> 0:13:03.729

going to put all our intranet documents.

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And this is our document

0:13:04.828 --> 0:13:07.211

management system for this site.

0:13:09.072 --> 0:13:10.413

Google Sites is actually

0:13:11.014 --> 0:13:12.495

integrated within Google Drive.

0:13:13.034 --> 0:13:14.135

So Google Sites is there.

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You can actually add your

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site right into the shared drive.

0:13:17.618 --> 0:13:18.658

And then along with every

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folder and all the

0:13:19.619 --> 0:13:21.721

documentation can live there.

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So that's the recommended way.

0:13:23.761 --> 0:13:24.182

Of course,

0:13:24.763 --> 0:13:25.482

it can be a little bit more

0:13:25.523 --> 0:13:27.104

hairy when you have people

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have their docs and their

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My Drive and they're the

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owners and maybe they're

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not going to move it there voluntarily.

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So it can get a little messy, but I mean,

0:13:37.825 --> 0:13:38.904

Overall, ideally,

0:13:39.024 --> 0:13:40.785

you'd like that all to be a shared drive.

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And then from inside of there,

0:13:43.566 --> 0:13:45.067

it's a matter of having permissions,

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right?

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These files can be seen inside only.

0:13:47.927 --> 0:13:49.067

These files might be able to

0:13:49.126 --> 0:13:50.288

see outside only.

0:13:50.927 --> 0:13:52.067

How do you set up Google

0:13:52.227 --> 0:13:53.028

Admin so that way

0:13:53.107 --> 0:13:53.868

everything is where it

0:13:53.908 --> 0:13:54.649

needs to be and you don't

0:13:54.749 --> 0:13:55.729

accidentally have those?

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I mean, let's be honest.

0:13:57.208 --> 0:13:57.769

We've all had the

0:13:57.828 --> 0:13:59.750

embarrassment of it looks great to you,

0:13:59.809 --> 0:14:00.929

but then somebody can't see

0:14:00.950 --> 0:14:01.929

the Google Doc that you've

0:14:01.990 --> 0:14:02.929

put on it because you don't

0:14:03.451 --> 0:14:04.630

think about those permissions.

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Mm-hmm.

0:14:06.293 --> 0:14:07.674

Yeah, I mean, at a baseline,

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I want that shared drive to

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be domain only.

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So, you know, so it's not, I mean,

0:14:13.419 --> 0:14:14.640

it's for an internal site.

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It's not supposed to be,

0:14:15.902 --> 0:14:17.482

unless you're building like

0:14:18.823 --> 0:14:22.027

a vendor portal or an extranet, you know,

0:14:22.047 --> 0:14:23.607

where people outside, you know,

0:14:24.128 --> 0:14:25.028

consultants maybe are

0:14:25.068 --> 0:14:27.191

viewing documents that I can understand.

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But if you're building an intranet,

0:14:28.351 --> 0:14:29.432

you're going to want that

0:14:29.452 --> 0:14:30.953

to be secured to domain

0:14:31.053 --> 0:14:32.534

only at the shared drive level.

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And then at the folder level, you know,

0:14:34.937 --> 0:14:35.557

you have this,

0:14:36.379 --> 0:14:37.600

micromanagement of

0:14:37.921 --> 0:14:38.581

permissions and

0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:39.861

accessibility so you can

0:14:39.902 --> 0:14:41.581

determine okay this is

0:14:41.621 --> 0:14:43.182

going to be you know for

0:14:43.962 --> 0:14:44.724

management or

0:14:44.764 --> 0:14:45.884

administrators this is going

0:14:45.903 --> 0:14:47.684

to be for it this is for hr

0:14:48.205 --> 0:14:49.446

and you can delineate that

0:14:49.645 --> 0:14:51.706

as much as you need to but

0:14:51.726 --> 0:14:53.807

I think because google

0:14:54.488 --> 0:14:56.149

sharing and permissions is

0:14:56.168 --> 0:14:57.668

really intuitive and you

0:14:57.688 --> 0:14:59.389

can also use contact groups

0:14:59.970 --> 0:15:01.051

leverage those along with

0:15:01.130 --> 0:15:02.370

it so people are coming in

0:15:02.410 --> 0:15:03.831

and out of a contact group

0:15:04.952 --> 0:15:05.633

uh you know it'll

0:15:06.633 --> 0:15:08.355

modify the permissions there accordingly.

0:15:08.916 --> 0:15:09.756

I'm glad you mentioned that

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because that's exactly how

0:15:10.717 --> 0:15:12.059

we set things up in my

0:15:12.100 --> 0:15:12.941

previous district is

0:15:13.020 --> 0:15:14.822

everything was district all

0:15:14.903 --> 0:15:16.164

or district building all

0:15:16.205 --> 0:15:17.486

and just making sure that

0:15:17.907 --> 0:15:18.908

those file groups,

0:15:18.948 --> 0:15:20.770

you're not doing a folder

0:15:20.831 --> 0:15:23.794

with 150 individual teachers,

0:15:23.815 --> 0:15:25.115

you're doing it at the group level,

0:15:25.155 --> 0:15:25.317

right?

0:15:26.624 --> 0:15:27.885

let's bring that down a

0:15:27.926 --> 0:15:29.248

little bit there are a lot

0:15:29.268 --> 0:15:30.269

of instructional coaches

0:15:30.308 --> 0:15:31.490

listening to this who have

0:15:31.991 --> 0:15:34.195

created google sites and

0:15:34.294 --> 0:15:35.616

I've often found myself

0:15:35.657 --> 0:15:37.840

saying it is really easy to

0:15:37.879 --> 0:15:39.022

make a google site look

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horrendously horrible

0:15:42.173 --> 0:15:43.553

So you know what I'm talking about, good.

0:15:46.514 --> 0:15:47.816

There's pitfalls, right?

0:15:47.875 --> 0:15:48.115

I mean,

0:15:48.296 --> 0:15:51.037

it's easy to create a site where

0:15:51.238 --> 0:15:54.739

every row has a different background,

0:15:55.019 --> 0:15:55.259

right?

0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:56.779

And we all know that Google

0:15:56.799 --> 0:15:59.501

Sites has a number of stock backgrounds.

0:16:00.241 --> 0:16:01.462

But you've come up with some

0:16:01.503 --> 0:16:03.565

ways to really make your sites look nice.

0:16:03.585 --> 0:16:03.764

I mean,

0:16:03.804 --> 0:16:05.265

even when I'm looking at your homepage,

0:16:05.706 --> 0:16:08.207

kirksvillewebdesign.com,

0:16:08.589 --> 0:16:09.850

you have it listed in rows.

0:16:09.870 --> 0:16:10.889

Some of the rows are white.

0:16:10.909 --> 0:16:11.691

Some of the rows are like a

0:16:11.730 --> 0:16:12.692

little off gray.

0:16:13.032 --> 0:16:14.852

But you definitely see a delineation.

0:16:15.214 --> 0:16:16.735

You've got some great pictures in here.

0:16:17.154 --> 0:16:18.495

What is your philosophy when

0:16:18.556 --> 0:16:19.456

building sites?

0:16:20.059 --> 0:16:21.500

out I'll call it let's just

0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.061

start with the words

0:16:22.201 --> 0:16:23.542

landing pages but when

0:16:23.562 --> 0:16:24.261

you're building out those

0:16:24.341 --> 0:16:25.682

main pages of a website

0:16:26.202 --> 0:16:27.063

what do you think and as

0:16:27.104 --> 0:16:28.923

you go down many coaches

0:16:28.964 --> 0:16:30.085

are building for themselves

0:16:30.705 --> 0:16:32.125

I kind of try to steer them

0:16:32.166 --> 0:16:33.005

for you're not building for

0:16:33.047 --> 0:16:33.866

yourself you're building

0:16:33.907 --> 0:16:35.548

for others so make it look

0:16:35.687 --> 0:16:36.847

easy make the navigation

0:16:36.908 --> 0:16:38.249

easy but when you have a

0:16:38.308 --> 0:16:40.230

blank canvas where do you

0:16:40.289 --> 0:16:48.014

start oh boy um I mean you can get

0:16:48.479 --> 0:16:49.859

a lot of inspiration I think

0:16:49.899 --> 0:16:51.419

around the web just as like

0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:52.700

a starting point find out

0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.581

what style of site that you

0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.302

want to build um so first I

0:16:58.341 --> 0:16:59.442

like to get inspired by

0:16:59.501 --> 0:17:01.643

something um maybe it's in

0:17:01.682 --> 0:17:03.683

the same industry I'm in or

0:17:03.744 --> 0:17:05.884

maybe it's just general you

0:17:05.923 --> 0:17:08.484

know graphic designers uh

0:17:08.605 --> 0:17:10.065

or web designers and their

0:17:10.685 --> 0:17:12.086

you know uh their

0:17:12.105 --> 0:17:13.226

creativity whether it's

0:17:13.246 --> 0:17:14.946

through like something like dribble

0:17:15.999 --> 0:17:19.101

or there's lots of designer

0:17:19.442 --> 0:17:20.663

hubs that you can explore.

0:17:21.282 --> 0:17:24.025

So I think that's one avenue to check out.

0:17:24.125 --> 0:17:26.886

And then it comes down to

0:17:27.007 --> 0:17:29.568

basic user interface

0:17:30.048 --> 0:17:32.151

standards for web design.

0:17:33.090 --> 0:17:33.932

Take, for instance,

0:17:35.113 --> 0:17:36.334

you can make a text block

0:17:36.554 --> 0:17:37.334

in Google Sites.

0:17:37.634 --> 0:17:38.996

And that text block can be

0:17:39.736 --> 0:17:42.718

the whole width of the grid,

0:17:43.219 --> 0:17:44.159

can be the whole width of

0:17:44.199 --> 0:17:44.960

that text block.

0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:45.901

However,

0:17:46.261 --> 0:17:48.242

have you thought about when people

0:17:48.323 --> 0:17:49.163

read that, you know,

0:17:49.203 --> 0:17:50.304

they have to read across

0:17:50.344 --> 0:17:51.664

the entire line and

0:17:51.724 --> 0:17:53.266

actually their eyes get strained,

0:17:53.306 --> 0:17:53.527

you know,

0:17:53.586 --> 0:17:55.887

trying to go that far and then

0:17:55.928 --> 0:17:56.868

having come back to the

0:17:56.929 --> 0:17:58.009

next line and come over

0:17:58.069 --> 0:17:59.951

here and start a new line of text.

0:18:00.451 --> 0:18:01.092

So actually,

0:18:01.112 --> 0:18:03.613

you want to bring that text in to be a

0:18:04.829 --> 0:18:06.529

know a shorter dimension

0:18:07.151 --> 0:18:08.770

width wise just to help

0:18:08.810 --> 0:18:10.211

with like legibility and

0:18:10.311 --> 0:18:12.112

readability so actually

0:18:12.152 --> 0:18:14.053

like a lot of this is has

0:18:14.073 --> 0:18:15.673

to do with you know spacing

0:18:15.992 --> 0:18:18.374

and and just like general

0:18:19.114 --> 0:18:21.714

best use or best uh I'm

0:18:21.734 --> 0:18:23.835

trying to say web design

0:18:23.875 --> 0:18:26.776

standards uh to consider so

0:18:26.816 --> 0:18:27.736

I mean not everyone has an

0:18:27.855 --> 0:18:29.356

eye for it and you know I

0:18:29.396 --> 0:18:31.457

understand that but uh try

0:18:31.497 --> 0:18:32.458

to be consistent you know

0:18:32.478 --> 0:18:34.057

it's one one thing

0:18:35.057 --> 0:18:36.060

As far as like colors and

0:18:36.101 --> 0:18:37.022

fonts are concerned,

0:18:37.364 --> 0:18:39.568

simplicity and consistency

0:18:40.049 --> 0:18:41.673

can speak a lot for making

0:18:42.315 --> 0:18:43.739

any site or a professional site.

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I remember when sites first came out,

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it was 10 years ago when I

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first took on my first

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instructional coaching

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position and I was rah, rah, rah.

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And my superintendent

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decided to go all in.

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And so, yes,

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we were building out a website

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for ourselves,

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but somehow the district

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got the idea that every

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department needed their own

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individual Google site.

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And so I then was building

0:19:12.865 --> 0:19:15.190

out a template to then copy

0:19:15.230 --> 0:19:17.994

that template for the math department,

0:19:18.075 --> 0:19:20.960

for the HR department, for the unit.

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Every single one had their own.

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And then it became difficult

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because each of those staff

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members wanted to make

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their departments unique.

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You see where I'm going with this.

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Suddenly,

0:19:34.065 --> 0:19:36.067

our district online presence had

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4,000 different styles of

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websites that all had to

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interlock with each other.

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And that's difficult because...

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The navigation is the key.

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It's the tree in the woods, right?

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If you can't find the website,

0:19:54.376 --> 0:19:55.258

it doesn't exist.

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And with a Google site,

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you do have a search button,

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but the search button only

0:20:01.102 --> 0:20:03.223

searches within that particular site.

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So we ended up, you know,

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and I couldn't stop the

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train once the decision was made.

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But you had all of these

0:20:09.028 --> 0:20:09.929

different sites that just

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didn't talk to each other.

0:20:12.236 --> 0:20:13.136

one of the questions that

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has come out is how big can

0:20:17.057 --> 0:20:19.220

a google site be have you

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had an opportunity to to

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think about that one or

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:22.980

have you had an opportunity

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:23.821

to kind of play with you

0:20:23.842 --> 0:20:25.823

know massive google sites

0:20:25.843 --> 0:20:26.542

in other words could I

0:20:26.682 --> 0:20:27.723

really make a school

0:20:27.763 --> 0:20:29.203

district site on a google

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page that has a hundred

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sites I mean how big have

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you seen these things go

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and is it a matter of ages or file size

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well I mean Google sites

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won't take up any of your

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storage or a file space

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within Drive so there's no

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limit from that point of

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view and you know your file

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won't have a you know set

0:20:51.301 --> 0:20:52.423

amount of megabytes or

0:20:52.442 --> 0:20:53.982

gigabytes that it's that's

0:20:54.124 --> 0:20:55.943

using uh so that's not a

0:20:55.984 --> 0:20:59.066

concern uh I I cannot

0:20:59.105 --> 0:20:59.926

remember if there's an

0:21:00.146 --> 0:21:03.989

actual page limit on new Google sites

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I can say back in the day

0:21:07.386 --> 0:21:08.528

when I built actually a

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behemoth intranet for Teach for America.

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And that was like 500 pages.

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Wow.

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And that was the biggest

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project I think I've ever

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took on or built.

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And so

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I'm not sure if I ever converted, you know,

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to classic Google Sites was like,

0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:28.000

you know,

0:21:28.181 --> 0:21:30.480

Google Sites 1.0 and now Google

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Sites 2.0.

0:21:30.821 --> 0:21:32.741

I'm not sure if it converted

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or not or what happened with that.

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But I mean, personally,

0:21:36.123 --> 0:21:38.104

I haven't hit a limit with

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one individual Google site

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and a number of pages or, you know,

0:21:42.365 --> 0:21:43.625

characters or something like that.

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So that was 500 pages on Google Sites 1.0.

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And they do have,

0:21:51.296 --> 0:21:53.596

or classic sites right now is dead,

0:21:54.096 --> 0:21:55.278

but they did have that

0:21:55.337 --> 0:21:56.077

point in time where there

0:21:56.097 --> 0:21:58.019

was the conversion process happening,

0:21:58.079 --> 0:21:59.519

and it wasn't pretty.

0:21:59.539 --> 0:22:01.000

It was like,

0:22:01.902 --> 0:22:03.321

here's kind of what this looks like,

0:22:03.362 --> 0:22:04.542

but all of your

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contraptions and all of

0:22:05.483 --> 0:22:06.844

your widgets and stuff like that, yeah,

0:22:06.864 --> 0:22:07.744

they're not working anymore.

0:22:08.505 --> 0:22:09.566

That upset a lot of people.

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One of the other things that

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I was facing when this

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thing first came out 10

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plus years ago was there was no themes.

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There was five,

0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:20.441

but people wanted the customizer.

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And even today,

0:22:22.623 --> 0:22:23.503

I don't think a lot of

0:22:23.544 --> 0:22:25.204

teachers and coaches know

0:22:25.265 --> 0:22:27.607

that you can now create your own theme.

0:22:28.048 --> 0:22:29.548

You can now customize your theme.

0:22:29.568 --> 0:22:31.310

You can even open up a

0:22:31.490 --> 0:22:32.813

second Google site and you

0:22:32.853 --> 0:22:35.734

can grab the theme from the first one.

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which is wonderful.

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Unfortunately,

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I think that opens up even more that,

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okay,

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now it really is easier to create

0:22:43.682 --> 0:22:44.383

something that looks

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horrible because now you've

0:22:45.443 --> 0:22:48.026

got unlimited fonts, unlimited colors,

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and you've got unlimited everything.

0:22:49.346 --> 0:22:50.729

And now you've got, you know,

0:22:50.868 --> 0:22:52.730

three different panels full

0:22:52.770 --> 0:22:54.311

of six different colors each.

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I mean,

0:22:55.413 --> 0:22:56.334

even just putting this stuff

0:22:56.354 --> 0:22:57.974

together for my school for this year,

0:22:59.076 --> 0:23:00.096

it's a nightmare trying to

0:23:00.297 --> 0:23:01.538

try to match up fonts and

0:23:01.577 --> 0:23:03.539

stuff where are you with

0:23:03.579 --> 0:23:04.740

all the theme stuff do you

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.061

try to keep things stock do

0:23:06.102 --> 0:23:07.584

you have a you know in your

0:23:07.624 --> 0:23:08.984

bag of tricks do you have a

0:23:09.125 --> 0:23:10.105

theme that you like to just

0:23:10.145 --> 0:23:11.227

take and build from if

0:23:11.267 --> 0:23:12.728

somebody wants you to work

0:23:12.768 --> 0:23:14.210

with them any thoughts and

0:23:14.490 --> 0:23:16.432

tricks of creating your own

0:23:16.632 --> 0:23:23.518

school or building theme I mean I if you

0:23:25.244 --> 0:23:26.746

are keen on graphic design

0:23:27.286 --> 0:23:29.448

at all or web design in

0:23:29.508 --> 0:23:31.429

general I mean you want to

0:23:31.469 --> 0:23:33.730

work within the school's uh

0:23:34.750 --> 0:23:36.172

design guidelines or

0:23:36.291 --> 0:23:37.712

branding guidelines of some

0:23:37.772 --> 0:23:39.253

sort that's that's where I

0:23:39.294 --> 0:23:40.674

look to first you know as

0:23:40.714 --> 0:23:42.997

far as logos colors are

0:23:43.057 --> 0:23:45.478

concerned uh fonts

0:23:45.959 --> 0:23:48.019

typography is concerned you

0:23:48.039 --> 0:23:49.080

know I want to use all that

0:23:49.161 --> 0:23:50.121

information because that's

0:23:50.161 --> 0:23:51.942

already kind of set in in

0:23:51.982 --> 0:23:53.963

stone you know it's already an approved

0:23:54.570 --> 0:23:56.071

brand that you want to build

0:23:56.132 --> 0:23:57.012

the site into.

0:23:57.353 --> 0:23:58.634

So if you can make your theme,

0:23:58.673 --> 0:23:59.894

your custom Google sites

0:23:59.934 --> 0:24:01.635

theme match as close as

0:24:01.715 --> 0:24:04.357

possible to those guidelines, I mean,

0:24:04.397 --> 0:24:05.759

that would be, that would be great.

0:24:05.798 --> 0:24:06.659

And that kind of brings it

0:24:06.818 --> 0:24:09.760

into the same family, you know,

0:24:10.122 --> 0:24:11.301

of websites because you

0:24:11.321 --> 0:24:12.923

have a public website, obviously,

0:24:12.943 --> 0:24:13.903

you know, for any school.

0:24:14.464 --> 0:24:16.885

So can you kind of work within those,

0:24:17.125 --> 0:24:18.146

those guidelines and those

0:24:18.207 --> 0:24:19.428

boundaries to create a,

0:24:20.410 --> 0:24:21.891

google site and usually you

0:24:21.911 --> 0:24:23.372

can I mean there's I think

0:24:23.571 --> 0:24:24.653

google fonts you know you

0:24:24.692 --> 0:24:26.294

have hundreds of fonts to

0:24:26.334 --> 0:24:28.194

choose from and maybe if

0:24:28.234 --> 0:24:29.296

you can't get that exact

0:24:29.776 --> 0:24:31.176

sans serif font you know

0:24:31.217 --> 0:24:32.417

that was noted in the great

0:24:32.538 --> 0:24:33.739

guidelines you can find

0:24:33.778 --> 0:24:34.358

something that's like

0:24:34.599 --> 0:24:38.001

almost identical so you

0:24:38.021 --> 0:24:38.561

know I'm looking through

0:24:38.582 --> 0:24:39.643

your site here and you've

0:24:39.663 --> 0:24:42.285

got different designs for a number of

0:24:44.743 --> 0:24:46.025

enterprises here, right?

0:24:46.265 --> 0:24:47.164

You've got education,

0:24:47.185 --> 0:24:48.326

you've got business templates.

0:24:49.086 --> 0:24:51.087

The one that totally caught

0:24:51.127 --> 0:24:52.127

my eye when I was looking

0:24:52.167 --> 0:24:53.229

at this a few weeks ago was

0:24:53.249 --> 0:24:54.130

you've got one that's kind

0:24:54.170 --> 0:24:55.971

of notion themed and how

0:24:56.030 --> 0:24:56.651

it's all done with the

0:24:56.691 --> 0:24:57.632

bullet points and stuff

0:24:57.652 --> 0:24:59.173

like that and the little icons on top.

0:24:59.232 --> 0:25:01.773

And so what have you seen?

0:25:01.834 --> 0:25:01.973

I mean,

0:25:01.993 --> 0:25:03.454

I know a lot of teachers and

0:25:03.775 --> 0:25:04.976

coaches are using sites

0:25:05.175 --> 0:25:05.896

outside of the box.

0:25:06.973 --> 0:25:07.673

As an example,

0:25:07.835 --> 0:25:08.714

we're going to be using

0:25:08.734 --> 0:25:09.816

Google Sites in a few weeks

0:25:09.855 --> 0:25:10.855

in my class to create

0:25:11.076 --> 0:25:14.137

posters for our upcoming

0:25:14.178 --> 0:25:15.358

musical and our upcoming

0:25:15.419 --> 0:25:17.279

band concerts where I'm just saying,

0:25:17.460 --> 0:25:18.260

here's a website,

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:19.942

pretend you're making the poster,

0:25:20.461 --> 0:25:21.782

use a Google form as like

0:25:21.823 --> 0:25:22.843

an email sign up,

0:25:22.962 --> 0:25:25.684

use a Google slide to put video on top.

0:25:26.585 --> 0:25:27.746

Think outside the box.

0:25:28.405 --> 0:25:29.727

How have you seen Google

0:25:29.767 --> 0:25:31.208

Sites being used maybe for

0:25:31.248 --> 0:25:32.008

something other than a

0:25:32.368 --> 0:25:34.490

traditional looking website?

0:25:38.797 --> 0:25:40.238

there are lots of of

0:25:40.758 --> 0:25:42.398

templates actually nowadays

0:25:42.459 --> 0:25:44.140

that you can grab for free

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.643

um and utilize so that's

0:25:48.702 --> 0:25:49.784

actually one of the largest

0:25:49.864 --> 0:25:51.345

queries related to google

0:25:51.384 --> 0:25:52.705

sites is google sites

0:25:52.925 --> 0:25:54.567

templates yeah and so you

0:25:54.586 --> 0:25:56.607

get like we got 6 000 plus

0:25:56.667 --> 0:25:58.209

queries a month you know on

0:25:58.249 --> 0:25:59.369

that it's probably more but

0:25:59.690 --> 0:26:01.111

it's roughly that so you I

0:26:01.490 --> 0:26:02.811

mean I I'm designing

0:26:02.892 --> 0:26:03.992

templates you got lots of

0:26:04.032 --> 0:26:05.493

people designing free templates

0:26:06.246 --> 0:26:08.247

All you need to do is to

0:26:08.307 --> 0:26:09.727

copy one of those.

0:26:10.047 --> 0:26:10.886

You copy it once,

0:26:11.666 --> 0:26:12.667

and then you can use that

0:26:12.768 --> 0:26:14.708

either as a copy or you can

0:26:14.807 --> 0:26:17.689

import that theme into your

0:26:17.709 --> 0:26:18.888

existing Google site if you

0:26:18.909 --> 0:26:20.249

don't want to have to

0:26:20.288 --> 0:26:21.349

migrate the content or

0:26:21.410 --> 0:26:22.450

rebuild it or something.

0:26:23.869 --> 0:26:24.631

So I think there's a lot of

0:26:24.671 --> 0:26:26.691

freedom there just from all

0:26:27.030 --> 0:26:27.951

the work that's being done

0:26:27.990 --> 0:26:30.432

by Google Sites designers.

0:26:31.491 --> 0:26:32.152

And you've got a lot of

0:26:32.172 --> 0:26:33.012

stuff on your site here.

0:26:33.032 --> 0:26:34.313

I mean, I see a lot of...

0:26:35.663 --> 0:26:38.265

professionals using these sites where it's,

0:26:38.305 --> 0:26:40.186

you know, it's a simple one page site,

0:26:40.227 --> 0:26:41.067

but it's got your picture

0:26:41.127 --> 0:26:42.009

up on top and then it's got

0:26:42.028 --> 0:26:42.868

all your social links.

0:26:43.849 --> 0:26:45.491

And there's companies that

0:26:45.511 --> 0:26:46.712

are out there charging, you know,

0:26:46.712 --> 0:26:47.814

10 bucks a month just for

0:26:47.913 --> 0:26:49.535

these kinds of simple services.

0:26:50.736 --> 0:26:53.077

And I know why not just make

0:26:53.097 --> 0:26:53.959

that in Google sites?

0:26:54.398 --> 0:26:55.480

You don't have to have a header.

0:26:55.519 --> 0:26:56.641

You don't have to have a footer.

0:26:56.740 --> 0:26:58.083

You can just make a simple site.

0:26:58.682 --> 0:26:59.683

put a domain name on it,

0:26:59.723 --> 0:27:01.125

or just link directly to it.

0:27:01.644 --> 0:27:02.746

And I mean, you've got a template here,

0:27:02.826 --> 0:27:04.446

free link in bio website.

0:27:04.727 --> 0:27:05.727

It's simple, it's easy,

0:27:05.767 --> 0:27:06.688

and it looks professional

0:27:06.728 --> 0:27:07.367

as anything else.

0:27:07.969 --> 0:27:10.509

And did I mention it's free, right?

0:27:10.990 --> 0:27:11.711

I don't think people are

0:27:11.750 --> 0:27:12.652

taking advantage of the

0:27:12.692 --> 0:27:13.352

fact that you can do

0:27:13.412 --> 0:27:14.051

everything with this.

0:27:14.173 --> 0:27:15.113

For the longest time,

0:27:16.013 --> 0:27:17.654

up until this version of TeacherCast,

0:27:18.255 --> 0:27:19.675

all of my presentations

0:27:20.096 --> 0:27:21.297

were built off of sites.

0:27:21.497 --> 0:27:23.898

I had one site with, I think right now,

0:27:23.939 --> 0:27:25.819

it's up to like 60 or 70

0:27:25.819 --> 0:27:27.181

presentations inside of it.

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:29.241

But they're all hidden pages.

0:27:29.261 --> 0:27:30.343

So in other words,

0:27:30.363 --> 0:27:31.784

there's no navigation up on top.

0:27:32.905 --> 0:27:34.646

And for each of those signups,

0:27:34.747 --> 0:27:35.428

I actually put my

0:27:35.468 --> 0:27:37.829

ConvertKit signup sheet on a Google page.

0:27:37.869 --> 0:27:39.892

So all of my landing pages

0:27:39.951 --> 0:27:41.492

have been done through Google Sites.

0:27:41.553 --> 0:27:41.874

But again,

0:27:41.913 --> 0:27:43.575

you wouldn't know it because of

0:27:43.634 --> 0:27:44.936

the way that it was designed.

0:27:45.856 --> 0:27:46.298

Oh, that's cool.

0:27:47.123 --> 0:27:47.903

One of the things that I

0:27:47.943 --> 0:27:49.163

wanted to ask you about are

0:27:49.223 --> 0:27:50.505

some of the myths, maybe,

0:27:51.025 --> 0:27:52.786

that I've heard over the years.

0:27:52.806 --> 0:27:53.965

And I come from the

0:27:54.027 --> 0:27:54.987

education part of this.

0:27:55.567 --> 0:27:56.528

There's a few myths that

0:27:56.587 --> 0:27:58.429

says don't use Google Sites

0:27:58.528 --> 0:27:59.269

professionally.

0:27:59.828 --> 0:28:01.390

They're not SEO friendly.

0:28:02.270 --> 0:28:03.010

What do you think about that?

0:28:05.392 --> 0:28:06.613

Well, I mean, I can't...

0:28:10.034 --> 0:28:11.714

mince my words or I can't,

0:28:12.155 --> 0:28:12.996

I'm not gonna lie.

0:28:13.016 --> 0:28:13.297

I mean,

0:28:13.336 --> 0:28:14.998

Google sites does not have all the

0:28:15.057 --> 0:28:19.060

essay SEO tools that other, you know, uh,

0:28:19.161 --> 0:28:20.821

web builder platforms will have.

0:28:21.163 --> 0:28:23.964

So, uh, like WordPress, you know,

0:28:24.144 --> 0:28:26.006

or like maybe Squarespace

0:28:26.086 --> 0:28:27.247

or some of these other platforms,

0:28:27.467 --> 0:28:28.528

it won't have all the tools

0:28:28.567 --> 0:28:30.028

available to you for SEO.

0:28:30.730 --> 0:28:33.892

So in that sense, it lacks in that area.

0:28:34.192 --> 0:28:36.413

And I think that's just because, I mean,

0:28:36.453 --> 0:28:37.555

it's never been like a

0:28:37.615 --> 0:28:39.036

primary objective of Google

0:28:39.056 --> 0:28:39.876

sites to be like,

0:28:40.990 --> 0:28:44.151

I don't know, marketed or, or, you know,

0:28:45.570 --> 0:28:45.951

building.

0:28:47.491 --> 0:28:47.932

Like I said,

0:28:48.172 --> 0:28:49.652

Google Sites has been generalized,

0:28:49.971 --> 0:28:51.373

it's internet friendly,

0:28:51.492 --> 0:28:52.553

it's website friendly,

0:28:52.633 --> 0:28:53.772

it's teacher friendly.

0:28:54.453 --> 0:28:56.614

So SEO has never been like, you know,

0:28:56.814 --> 0:28:58.674

a primary concern or an

0:28:58.714 --> 0:28:59.795

important concern for the

0:28:59.835 --> 0:29:01.035

Google Sites development team.

0:29:01.315 --> 0:29:02.096

And so it hasn't gotten a

0:29:02.135 --> 0:29:02.796

lot of attention.

0:29:03.455 --> 0:29:04.375

And so yeah,

0:29:04.435 --> 0:29:06.876

if you're super concerned with being like,

0:29:06.896 --> 0:29:07.376

I don't know,

0:29:08.510 --> 0:29:09.771

Rank number one on a local

0:29:09.811 --> 0:29:11.673

business page for some reason.

0:29:12.272 --> 0:29:12.413

Yeah,

0:29:12.432 --> 0:29:14.153

maybe Google Sites isn't the right

0:29:14.213 --> 0:29:14.834

choice for you.

0:29:15.233 --> 0:29:16.954

It's not to say it can't rank well.

0:29:17.394 --> 0:29:17.796

It can,

0:29:18.415 --> 0:29:21.416

and obviously my website ranks well

0:29:22.337 --> 0:29:23.637

for a number of queries.

0:29:24.318 --> 0:29:25.818

If you type in Google Sites templates,

0:29:26.019 --> 0:29:27.140

you're right up on top.

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:28.681

That's how we found each other here.

0:29:29.540 --> 0:29:31.082

There is a little bit of SEO,

0:29:31.622 --> 0:29:32.863

but it's not WordPress, right?

0:29:34.222 --> 0:29:34.423

Right.

0:29:34.683 --> 0:29:36.523

If you're creating relevant, unique,

0:29:36.765 --> 0:29:37.305

interesting,

0:29:38.182 --> 0:29:39.703

linkable content I mean it's

0:29:39.723 --> 0:29:40.785

going to grow organically

0:29:40.884 --> 0:29:42.145

anyway whether it's a

0:29:42.446 --> 0:29:43.688

google site or a wordpress

0:29:43.708 --> 0:29:45.990

site so keep that in mind

0:29:47.211 --> 0:29:49.211

the other one here and and

0:29:49.231 --> 0:29:50.854

I'd love to get your thoughts on this

0:29:52.335 --> 0:29:53.555

There's no blog post.

0:29:54.115 --> 0:29:56.936

There's no way to have dynamic content.

0:29:57.936 --> 0:29:59.576

And I've come up with some

0:29:59.656 --> 0:30:02.238

ways to do this in the classroom side,

0:30:03.078 --> 0:30:05.378

but I'm curious on the professional side,

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:07.460

if you are a company and

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:08.861

you're looking to have a

0:30:08.941 --> 0:30:10.401

Google site built for you

0:30:10.461 --> 0:30:11.961

or for your event or for whatever,

0:30:11.981 --> 0:30:15.603

how do you support the idea

0:30:15.663 --> 0:30:17.663

of having dynamic written

0:30:17.824 --> 0:30:19.403

bloggy type content?

0:30:19.943 --> 0:30:20.625

What do you do?

0:30:20.684 --> 0:30:21.585

Where do you go for that?

0:30:22.575 --> 0:30:24.256

Or can we just use more pages?

0:30:24.776 --> 0:30:27.017

What do you do?

0:30:27.057 --> 0:30:28.596

It's a pain point for me too.

0:30:29.356 --> 0:30:29.797

Essentially,

0:30:29.836 --> 0:30:32.538

I'm just creating basic pages

0:30:32.678 --> 0:30:34.378

and I'm adding them manually.

0:30:34.739 --> 0:30:36.140

It's not as easy as just say,

0:30:36.500 --> 0:30:38.519

click new blog post, write article,

0:30:38.740 --> 0:30:40.181

publish blog post.

0:30:40.661 --> 0:30:41.681

It's there and it's

0:30:41.741 --> 0:30:44.221

automatically managed and

0:30:44.362 --> 0:30:47.002

archived and all that sort of stuff.

0:30:47.063 --> 0:30:48.344

So there's not a lot of

0:30:48.364 --> 0:30:49.324

support for blogging.

0:30:49.564 --> 0:30:51.944

And yeah, I do find it frustrating.

0:30:53.199 --> 0:30:54.799

Is it doable in a manual sense?

0:30:55.359 --> 0:30:56.299

Yeah, kind of.

0:30:57.661 --> 0:30:59.060

But it's not the strength of

0:30:59.101 --> 0:31:01.182

Google Sites right now, at least.

0:31:03.083 --> 0:31:04.782

I've come up with a number of solutions.

0:31:05.343 --> 0:31:06.223

There's an application out

0:31:06.243 --> 0:31:07.263

there called Padlet,

0:31:07.763 --> 0:31:09.484

which is essentially like a wall.

0:31:09.565 --> 0:31:11.306

It's like a sticky wall kind of a thing,

0:31:11.326 --> 0:31:12.766

but you can transform this

0:31:15.851 --> 0:31:18.934

corkboard, if you will, into a blog role.

0:31:19.715 --> 0:31:19.955

Okay.

0:31:20.215 --> 0:31:20.876

So it's a second,

0:31:21.096 --> 0:31:22.098

it's a second application,

0:31:22.118 --> 0:31:23.780

but then you can embed that blog role,

0:31:23.820 --> 0:31:25.563

if you will, into a Google site.

0:31:26.143 --> 0:31:28.046

Suddenly you've got dynamic conversation,

0:31:28.086 --> 0:31:28.967

like a Google classroom

0:31:29.027 --> 0:31:30.147

stream or something like that.

0:31:30.228 --> 0:31:30.429

Right.

0:31:31.250 --> 0:31:32.570

I've also seen teachers

0:31:32.810 --> 0:31:34.073

connect their Google sites

0:31:34.153 --> 0:31:34.753

in with blogger.

0:31:36.496 --> 0:31:37.356

But the problem with that

0:31:37.396 --> 0:31:38.497

then is Blogger is not

0:31:38.557 --> 0:31:41.660

really part of the Google Apps education.

0:31:42.140 --> 0:31:43.560

There's no controls for it.

0:31:43.721 --> 0:31:45.682

There's no acceptable use policy for it.

0:31:46.163 --> 0:31:47.383

So if a teacher wants to go

0:31:47.403 --> 0:31:48.023

in that direction,

0:31:48.044 --> 0:31:48.864

they're kind of using a

0:31:49.545 --> 0:31:51.965

non-approved application

0:31:52.006 --> 0:31:53.528

within the Google ecosystem

0:31:53.567 --> 0:31:55.969

or maybe out of the Google ecosystem.

0:31:57.887 --> 0:31:59.689

Is education using Google

0:31:59.710 --> 0:32:01.790

Spaces within Google Chat?

0:32:02.230 --> 0:32:04.653

You know, some yes, some no.

0:32:04.732 --> 0:32:05.733

In my previous district,

0:32:05.854 --> 0:32:07.915

I tried to bring spaces in

0:32:09.116 --> 0:32:11.077

as a way for professional learning.

0:32:11.597 --> 0:32:12.719

So here's the music

0:32:12.759 --> 0:32:14.220

department space and here's

0:32:14.299 --> 0:32:15.480

the administrator space.

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:15.681

Yeah.

0:32:16.582 --> 0:32:16.842

You know,

0:32:17.162 --> 0:32:18.522

people don't want to do chat

0:32:18.583 --> 0:32:19.683

because chat's more of a

0:32:19.864 --> 0:32:20.765

one to one thing.

0:32:20.805 --> 0:32:22.746

Spaces is more of a group text.

0:32:23.385 --> 0:32:24.727

But that's a culture shift, you know,

0:32:24.767 --> 0:32:25.867

and I find if the leader is

0:32:25.907 --> 0:32:27.108

willing to move in that direction,

0:32:27.148 --> 0:32:27.709

then sure.

0:32:28.308 --> 0:32:30.871

If not, it's like Twitter groups.

0:32:31.050 --> 0:32:32.971

They exist and there's 50 people in them.

0:32:32.991 --> 0:32:33.792

But are they really

0:32:33.893 --> 0:32:35.634

something if there's no

0:32:35.713 --> 0:32:36.574

chatting going on?

0:32:36.994 --> 0:32:38.015

So I think yes.

0:32:38.055 --> 0:32:38.736

And I think that there are

0:32:38.776 --> 0:32:39.655

certain districts that are

0:32:39.715 --> 0:32:40.416

making it work.

0:32:42.342 --> 0:32:43.143

could also say the same

0:32:43.183 --> 0:32:45.026

thing about teams right um

0:32:45.125 --> 0:32:45.866

working with the school

0:32:45.907 --> 0:32:48.912

district now um I'll say in

0:32:48.971 --> 0:32:49.772

the southern part of the

0:32:49.813 --> 0:32:51.315

united states where they

0:32:51.375 --> 0:32:52.436

want me to help them bring

0:32:52.477 --> 0:32:54.200

in an intranet but they

0:32:54.220 --> 0:32:55.340

don't want to go into teams

0:32:56.532 --> 0:32:57.953

Well, Teams is the intranet.

0:32:57.993 --> 0:32:59.513

Teams is the SharePoint.

0:33:00.275 --> 0:33:01.075

Just because you don't want

0:33:01.095 --> 0:33:02.336

to chat doesn't mean that

0:33:02.355 --> 0:33:03.355

you need to not have all

0:33:03.395 --> 0:33:05.037

those opportunities that

0:33:05.136 --> 0:33:05.916

Teams brings you.

0:33:06.116 --> 0:33:07.458

Teams is kind of, again,

0:33:08.038 --> 0:33:09.558

it's the box that holds everything.

0:33:10.378 --> 0:33:13.881

So I think people are scared of chat.

0:33:13.901 --> 0:33:16.662

I mean, let's face it.

0:33:17.382 --> 0:33:19.123

We still live in a society

0:33:19.163 --> 0:33:20.183

where email is...

0:33:21.297 --> 0:33:22.317

what rules us all.

0:33:22.978 --> 0:33:23.557

And we're not,

0:33:23.718 --> 0:33:24.578

I don't think we're thinking

0:33:24.638 --> 0:33:25.459

productive yet.

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:26.420

Going, you know,

0:33:26.819 --> 0:33:27.460

the only way to be

0:33:27.519 --> 0:33:28.421

productive in this world is

0:33:28.461 --> 0:33:30.082

to get your nose out of your inbox.

0:33:30.882 --> 0:33:33.644

So email is good for long-term things.

0:33:33.804 --> 0:33:35.204

Chat is good for quick things.

0:33:35.244 --> 0:33:37.086

I don't like emailing you saying, hey,

0:33:37.105 --> 0:33:38.066

what are you doing for lunch?

0:33:38.566 --> 0:33:39.527

Now that's in the middle of

0:33:39.567 --> 0:33:40.688

a thread or something, right?

0:33:41.852 --> 0:33:43.673

so that's a long way to

0:33:43.733 --> 0:33:44.815

answer the question but I

0:33:44.855 --> 0:33:46.236

think spaces are there if

0:33:46.517 --> 0:33:49.179

depending on how ingrained

0:33:49.219 --> 0:33:50.760

it is I mean you know if a

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:51.521

school district's going to

0:33:51.561 --> 0:33:52.663

say like all second grade

0:33:52.702 --> 0:33:53.804

teachers are in this space

0:33:54.305 --> 0:33:55.125

and we're going to use that

0:33:55.204 --> 0:33:56.446

space to talk about second

0:33:56.487 --> 0:33:58.689

grade curriculum I think it

0:33:58.709 --> 0:34:01.111

could fly that's

0:34:01.151 --> 0:34:03.554

interesting yeah because you got sorry

0:34:05.252 --> 0:34:05.472

Go ahead.

0:34:06.594 --> 0:34:06.814

Yeah,

0:34:06.834 --> 0:34:09.155

I was going to say you got these sort

0:34:09.175 --> 0:34:11.096

of dynamic group chat sort

0:34:11.135 --> 0:34:12.036

of applications like

0:34:12.076 --> 0:34:14.878

Microsoft has Microsoft Teams or,

0:34:14.898 --> 0:34:15.197

you know,

0:34:15.237 --> 0:34:17.199

people have historically looked

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.800

at Slack as one of the great solutions.

0:34:20.740 --> 0:34:22.300

And now Google is trying to

0:34:22.382 --> 0:34:23.842

kind of also fill that that

0:34:23.961 --> 0:34:25.342

gap and that vacuum within

0:34:25.382 --> 0:34:26.483

Google workspace that

0:34:26.523 --> 0:34:28.565

creating Google spaces.

0:34:29.385 --> 0:34:30.965

Yeah, I think it's a cultural shift,

0:34:30.985 --> 0:34:31.626

like you're saying,

0:34:31.806 --> 0:34:32.987

whether they're going to adopt that.

0:34:34.190 --> 0:34:35.492

It's hard to roll it out.

0:34:37.434 --> 0:34:39.498

Being a long term instructional coach,

0:34:39.538 --> 0:34:41.621

you're kind of rolling out these concepts,

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:42.942

these culture shifting

0:34:42.981 --> 0:34:44.463

concepts from the bottom up.

0:34:45.666 --> 0:34:47.027

When I did have the hot seat

0:34:47.047 --> 0:34:48.489

and I was in the director position,

0:34:48.510 --> 0:34:50.192

I tried to bring that stuff in, but

0:34:52.090 --> 0:34:54.452

For many, there's so many tools,

0:34:55.233 --> 0:34:56.233

it's easy to say, well,

0:34:56.253 --> 0:34:57.153

that's just one more thing,

0:34:57.193 --> 0:34:57.994

I don't have time.

0:34:58.655 --> 0:35:00.737

And from the Google trainer point of view,

0:35:00.797 --> 0:35:01.898

it's easy for me to say,

0:35:02.478 --> 0:35:04.119

but this is the function of this,

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.601

and this is the function for this.

0:35:06.862 --> 0:35:07.822

I'll give you another example.

0:35:07.842 --> 0:35:09.503

I was working with a group

0:35:09.543 --> 0:35:11.806

of instructional coaches for a while,

0:35:12.867 --> 0:35:13.586

and we had a chat,

0:35:14.467 --> 0:35:15.949

but we kept putting

0:35:16.068 --> 0:35:18.891

long-term things in the chat.

0:35:20.177 --> 0:35:21.257

in Microsoft Teams.

0:35:21.797 --> 0:35:22.818

Whereas I was trying to

0:35:22.858 --> 0:35:24.340

bring in the culture shift of, you know,

0:35:24.820 --> 0:35:26.541

if you're going to put a website link,

0:35:26.561 --> 0:35:27.722

you put that in the channel.

0:35:28.461 --> 0:35:29.143

And then we can have a

0:35:29.222 --> 0:35:30.664

conversation in the channel

0:35:30.724 --> 0:35:32.085

about that specific thing.

0:35:32.105 --> 0:35:34.887

But if you keep it in the chat, you know,

0:35:36.007 --> 0:35:37.387

you'll never find it again.

0:35:37.407 --> 0:35:39.769

Or somebody in a meeting says, oh,

0:35:39.789 --> 0:35:41.771

I stuck it in the chat six weeks ago.

0:35:41.791 --> 0:35:44.333

Well, who's ever going to find that?

0:35:44.913 --> 0:35:46.313

But if you put it in a channel,

0:35:47.114 --> 0:35:47.894

now you can have a

0:35:47.974 --> 0:35:49.275

conversation around a theme.

0:35:50.798 --> 0:35:52.300

those are hard things to

0:35:52.340 --> 0:35:53.161

bring into people.

0:35:53.201 --> 0:35:55.641

Cause then they just say, I'm confused.

0:35:55.842 --> 0:35:57.342

I give up, forget about it.

0:35:57.923 --> 0:35:58.864

And then it just goes back

0:35:58.905 --> 0:36:01.085

down to send me an email and you're going,

0:36:02.286 --> 0:36:03.827

no, we're going to slow down then.

0:36:03.847 --> 0:36:06.248

So it's difficult.

0:36:07.871 --> 0:36:08.391

Yeah.

0:36:08.471 --> 0:36:08.971

I mean, I,

0:36:08.990 --> 0:36:10.072

I find it difficult to say

0:36:10.092 --> 0:36:12.273

there's no all in one solution.

0:36:12.293 --> 0:36:12.333

Oh,

0:36:13.414 --> 0:36:15.155

whether I am looking at specifically

0:36:15.195 --> 0:36:16.056

Google workspace,

0:36:16.115 --> 0:36:16.737

but there's nothing that

0:36:16.757 --> 0:36:18.197

brings it all into like one

0:36:18.217 --> 0:36:20.239

space where it's like, you know,

0:36:21.260 --> 0:36:22.382

I kind of silo it out.

0:36:22.501 --> 0:36:24.922

I say Google Sites is for static content.

0:36:25.043 --> 0:36:27.585

I say if you want dynamic content,

0:36:27.605 --> 0:36:29.106

you're looking at spaces and chat.

0:36:29.505 --> 0:36:30.407

If you're going email,

0:36:30.427 --> 0:36:31.746

of course there's email.

0:36:31.867 --> 0:36:33.789

So it's like I looked at the

0:36:33.829 --> 0:36:34.648

strengths of each of these

0:36:34.728 --> 0:36:38.331

applications or document management.

0:36:38.431 --> 0:36:39.472

Okay, that's Google Drive.

0:36:39.672 --> 0:36:40.733

There's some obvious ones

0:36:41.253 --> 0:36:42.012

that you see there,

0:36:42.373 --> 0:36:44.315

but there's no huge all in

0:36:44.414 --> 0:36:46.775

one consolidated master

0:36:46.795 --> 0:36:48.976

solution that I wish maybe existed.

0:36:48.998 --> 0:36:49.597

It'd be interesting.

0:36:49.994 --> 0:36:52.356

Well, I've got this theory here,

0:36:52.456 --> 0:36:54.717

and I want to hit you with this one.

0:36:55.838 --> 0:36:58.320

They call it Office 365,

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.503

or now they call it Microsoft 365.

0:37:01.503 --> 0:37:03.204

And the concept in my world

0:37:03.244 --> 0:37:05.286

behind that is everything

0:37:05.385 --> 0:37:06.847

connects to one theme.

0:37:07.858 --> 0:37:09.340

It's all connected.

0:37:09.820 --> 0:37:11.440

Every single day, every single minute,

0:37:11.539 --> 0:37:12.621

it's all connected.

0:37:12.681 --> 0:37:13.820

It's all SharePoint,

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.181

but PowerPoint is in SharePoint,

0:37:16.282 --> 0:37:17.661

but Sites is in SharePoint,

0:37:17.742 --> 0:37:20.242

but Copilot is all built

0:37:20.302 --> 0:37:21.762

around the nucleus of SharePoint.

0:37:22.463 --> 0:37:24.583

However, on the other side,

0:37:25.224 --> 0:37:26.025

it's called Google

0:37:26.164 --> 0:37:28.346

Applications or Google Apps, right?

0:37:29.425 --> 0:37:29.766

Many,

0:37:29.865 --> 0:37:31.927

many applications that just happen to

0:37:31.967 --> 0:37:33.567

kind of have the same looking logo.

0:37:34.307 --> 0:37:35.467

And, you know,

0:37:37.043 --> 0:37:38.023

Think about the way that

0:37:38.063 --> 0:37:39.023

Google Apps works.

0:37:39.585 --> 0:37:44.126

If you were in Docs, Sheets, Slides,

0:37:45.068 --> 0:37:46.949

and you wanted to insert an image,

0:37:47.809 --> 0:37:49.389

you go to the Insert Image button,

0:37:49.409 --> 0:37:50.050

and what does it do?

0:37:50.090 --> 0:37:52.092

It opens up a dialog to find

0:37:52.152 --> 0:37:54.152

something and drive, right?

0:37:55.094 --> 0:37:56.375

But if you're in Google Keep

0:37:57.014 --> 0:37:58.476

and you wanted to open up an image,

0:37:59.155 --> 0:38:00.856

it opens up a dialog box to

0:38:00.896 --> 0:38:02.097

search your physical hard drive.

0:38:04.764 --> 0:38:06.184

at least the last time I checked it was.

0:38:06.985 --> 0:38:08.547

Those things don't make sense.

0:38:08.927 --> 0:38:10.268

So I've always looked at Google saying,

0:38:10.289 --> 0:38:11.911

you've got a great philosophy here,

0:38:12.291 --> 0:38:13.411

but there's no nucleus that

0:38:13.452 --> 0:38:14.152

holds it together.

0:38:14.172 --> 0:38:16.114

You've got four different applications,

0:38:16.454 --> 0:38:18.818

but they all do different things.

0:38:20.936 --> 0:38:22.797

And so even now you look at

0:38:23.358 --> 0:38:24.358

docs on the right side,

0:38:24.418 --> 0:38:25.599

it's got calendar and keep

0:38:25.639 --> 0:38:26.440

and all those other things.

0:38:26.780 --> 0:38:27.400

But then you look at a

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.240

different application and

0:38:28.260 --> 0:38:28.820

those aren't there.

0:38:29.541 --> 0:38:30.481

So you're trying to teach

0:38:30.561 --> 0:38:31.583

students how to find this.

0:38:31.603 --> 0:38:32.302

You're trying to teach

0:38:32.943 --> 0:38:34.204

teachers how to find these

0:38:34.264 --> 0:38:35.704

things and it's not always there.

0:38:36.905 --> 0:38:37.985

Here's my philosophy.

0:38:38.286 --> 0:38:39.927

And I want to get your opinion on this.

0:38:39.947 --> 0:38:41.367

And I've been saying this one for years.

0:38:42.648 --> 0:38:44.768

Google made a mistake in

0:38:44.909 --> 0:38:46.710

rolling out Google Sites.

0:38:47.804 --> 0:38:48.905

And because of it,

0:38:49.606 --> 0:38:53.728

it has been an uphill

0:38:53.768 --> 0:38:54.829

battle for people like us.

0:38:55.871 --> 0:38:57.210

And when I say they made a mistake,

0:38:57.751 --> 0:38:59.052

they came out with Google

0:38:59.112 --> 0:39:02.371

Classroom in 2008, 2009,

0:39:02.371 --> 0:39:04.873

somewhere in 2010, somewhere in there.

0:39:05.713 --> 0:39:07.373

And we knew as teachers that

0:39:07.414 --> 0:39:08.353

Google Classroom was a

0:39:08.414 --> 0:39:11.514

place to build a course and

0:39:11.695 --> 0:39:12.494

it had a stream,

0:39:12.994 --> 0:39:13.715

which means you could have

0:39:13.755 --> 0:39:16.056

a rolling conversation and

0:39:16.135 --> 0:39:16.956

you could put all your

0:39:16.996 --> 0:39:18.856

materials on there and your

0:39:18.876 --> 0:39:20.697

assignments and everything

0:39:20.757 --> 0:39:22.056

that you need was on there.

0:39:23.302 --> 0:39:24.123

A year later,

0:39:24.523 --> 0:39:27.324

they came out with a baseline

0:39:27.385 --> 0:39:28.606

version of Google Sites,

0:39:28.706 --> 0:39:30.106

and it stripped out everything.

0:39:31.106 --> 0:39:31.806

And teachers,

0:39:32.407 --> 0:39:33.027

and I don't know about the

0:39:33.068 --> 0:39:34.309

corporate world, but teachers said,

0:39:34.869 --> 0:39:36.188

I don't want that.

0:39:36.610 --> 0:39:37.869

I'm now in Classroom.

0:39:40.070 --> 0:39:41.592

I've been saying forever now,

0:39:42.393 --> 0:39:43.833

Google Sites and Google

0:39:43.873 --> 0:39:45.434

Classroom should really be

0:39:45.494 --> 0:39:47.494

looked at as one application,

0:39:48.456 --> 0:39:49.876

where Classroom is where

0:39:49.896 --> 0:39:50.996

you're teaching things,

0:39:53.148 --> 0:39:55.248

but sites is where you're keeping things.

0:39:56.869 --> 0:39:57.610

So the way that I've

0:39:57.710 --> 0:39:59.329

designed all my classes is

0:39:59.751 --> 0:40:02.952

it's a put and a push, right?

0:40:03.052 --> 0:40:04.791

I put my stuff in a website,

0:40:04.932 --> 0:40:06.452

I push it out through Classroom.

0:40:07.393 --> 0:40:09.793

So if I'm in a Google

0:40:09.833 --> 0:40:10.974

Classroom this year and I'm

0:40:11.014 --> 0:40:12.494

teaching and I archive my class,

0:40:12.534 --> 0:40:13.576

all that stuff is gone.

0:40:14.994 --> 0:40:16.755

if it's on my website all I

0:40:16.795 --> 0:40:17.715

have to do is next year

0:40:17.755 --> 0:40:18.617

just open up a brand new

0:40:18.637 --> 0:40:19.356

classroom and all that

0:40:19.396 --> 0:40:20.797

stuff is still there it

0:40:20.898 --> 0:40:22.838

saves me time so I put my

0:40:22.878 --> 0:40:24.239

stuff here but I teach over

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.561

here and really all of my

0:40:26.621 --> 0:40:28.681

classroom archives are just

0:40:28.742 --> 0:40:29.882

links back to the website

0:40:29.902 --> 0:40:30.422

that I'm building

0:40:32.434 --> 0:40:34.416

Does that make sense?

0:40:34.596 --> 0:40:35.936

Am I making sense when I say that?

0:40:36.217 --> 0:40:38.539

I really do believe, and again,

0:40:38.759 --> 0:40:39.800

when I build my intranets

0:40:39.820 --> 0:40:40.980

from my previous position,

0:40:41.501 --> 0:40:42.440

sites and classroom,

0:40:42.581 --> 0:40:44.842

all of the stuff for HR is

0:40:45.023 --> 0:40:46.523

in a site or on a site.

0:40:47.023 --> 0:40:48.184

But the superintendent's

0:40:48.224 --> 0:40:49.485

going to message everybody

0:40:49.965 --> 0:40:52.708

through classroom, through the stream,

0:40:52.807 --> 0:40:54.309

through an assignment, through, you know,

0:40:54.748 --> 0:40:57.449

do this, and now you can keep track.

0:40:58.090 --> 0:40:59.711

And that was a really hard

0:40:59.791 --> 0:41:00.853

thing to push through.

0:41:01.751 --> 0:41:04.052

where you've got these two different names,

0:41:04.152 --> 0:41:05.293

but they really need to be

0:41:05.333 --> 0:41:08.855

looked at at the same time, the same way.

0:41:09.835 --> 0:41:10.916

So I look at that as both as

0:41:10.936 --> 0:41:12.097

being one application.

0:41:13.396 --> 0:41:13.996

Am I crazy?

0:41:14.117 --> 0:41:14.557

What do you think?

0:41:16.117 --> 0:41:18.239

I think Google Sites could

0:41:18.679 --> 0:41:19.980

essentially borrow and

0:41:20.039 --> 0:41:23.101

learn a lot from Google Classroom.

0:41:23.501 --> 0:41:24.862

I think it could also borrow

0:41:24.922 --> 0:41:27.844

and learn from Google Chat and Spaces.

0:41:28.784 --> 0:41:30.324

I think it could integrate a lot of things

0:41:31.302 --> 0:41:32.583

into sites to make it better.

0:41:32.603 --> 0:41:35.744

Uh, however, sometimes, you know,

0:41:35.764 --> 0:41:38.545

Google sites on the back foot in terms of,

0:41:38.945 --> 0:41:39.184

I guess,

0:41:39.204 --> 0:41:41.706

getting those developer hours from,

0:41:41.766 --> 0:41:43.465

from Google to make those updates.

0:41:44.545 --> 0:41:44.766

Um,

0:41:45.686 --> 0:41:47.507

but I think one of the problems is my

0:41:47.547 --> 0:41:49.067

perspective, because I mean,

0:41:49.126 --> 0:41:50.128

I've never been a teacher.

0:41:50.148 --> 0:41:51.307

I've never been educator.

0:41:52.007 --> 0:41:53.467

I've only been serving as

0:41:53.507 --> 0:41:55.068

like maybe an outside consultant,

0:41:55.148 --> 0:41:56.429

you know, to, uh,

0:41:56.528 --> 0:41:58.789

schools or been a site

0:41:58.829 --> 0:41:59.929

developer for schools.

0:42:00.885 --> 0:42:02.905

So, you know,

0:42:03.126 --> 0:42:04.206

the majority of my clients

0:42:04.246 --> 0:42:05.706

don't even know Google

0:42:05.786 --> 0:42:07.746

Classroom exists or that

0:42:07.786 --> 0:42:09.586

it's able to be implemented

0:42:09.786 --> 0:42:11.728

at a business or corporate

0:42:11.748 --> 0:42:13.007

or private level.

0:42:13.108 --> 0:42:15.829

So they don't even consider it, you know,

0:42:15.909 --> 0:42:16.869

as an application.

0:42:17.228 --> 0:42:19.510

And the sad thing is also Google Sites.

0:42:19.630 --> 0:42:19.849

I mean,

0:42:20.329 --> 0:42:22.110

marketing is not great and many

0:42:22.150 --> 0:42:23.311

people don't know it exists.

0:42:24.150 --> 0:42:25.070

And so they don't build a

0:42:25.090 --> 0:42:27.311

Google site or they don't know, you know,

0:42:27.331 --> 0:42:29.072

this isn't even a Google Drive app.

0:42:29.954 --> 0:42:31.755

so it's kind of a little bit

0:42:31.775 --> 0:42:32.976

of a sad state and things

0:42:33.077 --> 0:42:34.737

but I mean that's what

0:42:35.157 --> 0:42:36.219

people like me are trying

0:42:36.259 --> 0:42:38.420

to improve and and trying

0:42:38.460 --> 0:42:41.181

to I mean not only with

0:42:41.222 --> 0:42:43.423

like client you know client

0:42:43.443 --> 0:42:45.025

discussions but also you

0:42:45.045 --> 0:42:46.224

know I participate on the

0:42:46.304 --> 0:42:47.965

product forums I'm there

0:42:47.985 --> 0:42:48.907

supporting and helping

0:42:48.947 --> 0:42:50.668

people through that to find

0:42:50.708 --> 0:42:52.969

solutions um so I mean

0:42:52.989 --> 0:42:53.570

there's a there's a

0:42:53.769 --> 0:42:55.291

community like you found on

0:42:55.411 --> 0:42:58.132

on Facebook for example and so

0:42:59.076 --> 0:43:00.376

know we're just trying to

0:43:00.856 --> 0:43:02.416

make the best use of the

0:43:02.456 --> 0:43:04.097

product that we can well

0:43:04.117 --> 0:43:05.297

you had mentioned developer

0:43:05.317 --> 0:43:06.938

hours let's kind of wrap up

0:43:07.018 --> 0:43:09.018

here with things you wish

0:43:09.137 --> 0:43:12.099

google sites could do I'm

0:43:12.199 --> 0:43:14.619

sure you have a list have

0:43:14.659 --> 0:43:15.679

you seen my list I've

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.739

published it actually that

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:18.539

might be where I'm going

0:43:18.559 --> 0:43:20.079

with this okay let me see

0:43:20.119 --> 0:43:21.601

how I can pull it up right um

0:43:24.610 --> 0:43:25.652

Again,

0:43:26.032 --> 0:43:28.032

this is the same thing as I wish

0:43:28.172 --> 0:43:29.753

when somebody opens up Google Keep,

0:43:29.914 --> 0:43:31.474

it didn't look at their hard drive.

0:43:31.494 --> 0:43:32.755

Like small things like that.

0:43:32.815 --> 0:43:33.797

But I mean, you know,

0:43:33.836 --> 0:43:34.637

when we can start with,

0:43:34.976 --> 0:43:36.157

I wish it had a blog role.

0:43:36.318 --> 0:43:37.438

I wish it just, it worked.

0:43:37.518 --> 0:43:38.518

I wish it all embedded.

0:43:38.619 --> 0:43:39.460

I wish this and that.

0:43:39.519 --> 0:43:43.202

But what's, give me your top, okay,

0:43:43.282 --> 0:43:44.202

let's do the wrestling terms.

0:43:44.503 --> 0:43:45.583

Give me your Mount Rushmore.

0:43:46.244 --> 0:43:47.425

What are the four things

0:43:47.465 --> 0:43:48.545

that you really would love

0:43:48.585 --> 0:43:49.726

to see if Google was

0:43:49.786 --> 0:43:50.806

listening to you right now?

0:43:52.092 --> 0:43:52.592

Which, of course,

0:43:52.893 --> 0:43:54.315

I'm sure that Mr. Google is

0:43:54.355 --> 0:43:55.456

listening to this podcast.

0:43:55.817 --> 0:43:57.978

What are the top few things

0:43:57.998 --> 0:43:59.079

that you really wish Google

0:43:59.119 --> 0:43:59.900

Sites would have?

0:44:01.981 --> 0:44:04.585

Yeah, I mean, that's how I've prioritized.

0:44:04.684 --> 0:44:05.746

I've made the list and I

0:44:05.786 --> 0:44:07.927

have the top five already

0:44:07.987 --> 0:44:09.268

lined out for you.

0:44:09.329 --> 0:44:09.710

Lay it on me.

0:44:10.898 --> 0:44:13.340

I have 15, which was the total,

0:44:13.420 --> 0:44:15.702

but I'll give you what the top five are.

0:44:15.722 --> 0:44:17.922

So the first one is page level permissions,

0:44:19.043 --> 0:44:21.083

which used to be a part of classic sites,

0:44:21.103 --> 0:44:23.005

did not make it into new sites,

0:44:23.125 --> 0:44:25.346

and has frustrated many a

0:44:25.467 --> 0:44:27.987

user and site content owner.

0:44:29.648 --> 0:44:30.809

So page level permissions,

0:44:31.108 --> 0:44:32.150

another pain point there.

0:44:32.769 --> 0:44:32.949

Actually,

0:44:32.969 --> 0:44:34.650

number two was what we discussed there,

0:44:34.670 --> 0:44:35.891

blogging support features.

0:44:36.835 --> 0:44:38.576

and post-publishing and that

0:44:38.615 --> 0:44:41.338

sort of content management system.

0:44:42.518 --> 0:44:44.760

Three was Google Spaces and

0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:45.940

chat integration.

0:44:46.442 --> 0:44:48.463

Can we bring that into sites, please?

0:44:48.682 --> 0:44:50.023

That would be beautiful.

0:44:51.844 --> 0:44:55.788

Four was text boxes and insert tables.

0:44:56.349 --> 0:44:58.789

So it's more like design

0:44:58.809 --> 0:45:01.311

capabilities with the text boxes because,

0:45:01.911 --> 0:45:04.753

you know, how many times can I...

0:45:06.490 --> 0:45:07.512

these are not difficult

0:45:07.532 --> 0:45:09.713

things right yeah and not

0:45:09.793 --> 0:45:11.054

even on this on this blog

0:45:11.074 --> 0:45:12.615

post I made about it I have

0:45:13.115 --> 0:45:14.217

as an example you know

0:45:14.257 --> 0:45:15.637

exactly what squarespace is

0:45:15.697 --> 0:45:17.219

doing and you know how they

0:45:17.259 --> 0:45:18.880

have figured that solution

0:45:19.001 --> 0:45:20.061

out like can we come up

0:45:20.101 --> 0:45:22.242

with you know this thing

0:45:22.262 --> 0:45:23.344

for google sites and roll

0:45:23.384 --> 0:45:24.284

it out please that'd be

0:45:24.324 --> 0:45:28.246

nice uh I know number five

0:45:28.286 --> 0:45:29.708

on my on my top five here

0:45:29.748 --> 0:45:31.309

was a template marketplace

0:45:32.384 --> 0:45:34.364

so that you know more people

0:45:34.403 --> 0:45:35.545

are exposed to the

0:45:35.625 --> 0:45:36.405

templates that are being

0:45:36.465 --> 0:45:37.744

designed and marketed and

0:45:38.385 --> 0:45:39.105

and you know those

0:45:39.125 --> 0:45:40.005

designers are doing a great

0:45:40.045 --> 0:45:41.346

job whether I mean it's an

0:45:41.585 --> 0:45:42.766

education you got people

0:45:42.786 --> 0:45:43.905

making templates you know

0:45:44.266 --> 0:45:45.726

teacher teacher sites and

0:45:45.786 --> 0:45:46.646

student sites and

0:45:46.686 --> 0:45:47.887

portfolios all sorts of

0:45:47.907 --> 0:45:50.847

stuff in education sector I

0:45:50.887 --> 0:45:52.547

mean I wish those got uh

0:45:53.427 --> 0:45:55.168

more exposure keep going

0:45:55.208 --> 0:45:57.817

give me your top 10.

0:45:57.817 --> 0:45:58.976

Just everything that you're saying,

0:45:59.016 --> 0:46:00.157

I'm just nodding my head here.

0:46:00.177 --> 0:46:02.197

And I've got one that you

0:46:02.338 --> 0:46:03.818

might not have on the list.

0:46:05.039 --> 0:46:05.878

Let's go down your list to

0:46:05.918 --> 0:46:08.099

see if my one thing,

0:46:08.119 --> 0:46:09.800

because I'm about to start

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.201

a major project this week.

0:46:11.900 --> 0:46:12.981

And I'm hoping that you can

0:46:13.021 --> 0:46:14.061

talk me out of it.

0:46:14.382 --> 0:46:15.541

So that was the top five.

0:46:15.902 --> 0:46:16.842

Give me the top ten here.

0:46:16.862 --> 0:46:17.702

All right.

0:46:17.963 --> 0:46:18.262

Six.

0:46:18.463 --> 0:46:21.603

We got Google Sites API access.

0:46:23.704 --> 0:46:24.425

I'm not like...

0:46:24.992 --> 0:46:28.172

a great developer but I know

0:46:28.213 --> 0:46:29.474

people that are and they

0:46:29.514 --> 0:46:30.755

would do fantastic things

0:46:30.835 --> 0:46:31.775

if they just had the tools

0:46:31.815 --> 0:46:35.416

to do so so api access was

0:46:35.516 --> 0:46:37.918

one thing next uh code

0:46:37.978 --> 0:46:40.579

injection of html and css

0:46:40.639 --> 0:46:42.539

javascript into the the

0:46:42.579 --> 0:46:44.061

header of the site so into

0:46:44.101 --> 0:46:47.061

the site globally uh if you

0:46:47.081 --> 0:46:48.222

could insert code anywhere

0:46:48.282 --> 0:46:49.202

right now you only can work

0:46:49.242 --> 0:46:51.523

within set dimensional widgets you know

0:46:53.179 --> 0:46:54.340

uh so that's one thing and

0:46:54.420 --> 0:46:56.800

next is supported image

0:46:56.860 --> 0:46:58.742

formats if you're using uh

0:46:59.943 --> 0:47:01.523

svg which is you know a

0:47:01.664 --> 0:47:03.704

vector format you know you're out of luck

0:47:05.476 --> 0:47:07.838

uh next is gadgets widgets

0:47:07.978 --> 0:47:09.360

plugins directory

0:47:09.420 --> 0:47:10.380

marketplace this is

0:47:10.460 --> 0:47:11.940

actually a google classic

0:47:12.001 --> 0:47:13.041

thing as well you had a

0:47:13.101 --> 0:47:14.362

bunch there's like a

0:47:14.402 --> 0:47:15.503

directory of all sorts of

0:47:15.563 --> 0:47:16.483

gadgets and widgets that

0:47:16.503 --> 0:47:18.264

people had made and

0:47:18.324 --> 0:47:19.686

published you know whether

0:47:19.706 --> 0:47:21.067

it was like weather or just

0:47:21.106 --> 0:47:23.409

like a stopwatch timer you

0:47:23.429 --> 0:47:26.010

know just various things uh

0:47:26.050 --> 0:47:27.210

so now that doesn't exist

0:47:27.291 --> 0:47:29.853

anymore um what am I on

0:47:29.893 --> 0:47:31.693

though what number am I at

0:47:32.748 --> 0:47:33.847

You're doing great, though.

0:47:33.967 --> 0:47:36.088

Everything you're saying, I'm going, okay.

0:47:36.108 --> 0:47:39.110

Number 10 was more navigational features,

0:47:39.190 --> 0:47:40.769

controls, hover effects.

0:47:41.090 --> 0:47:43.010

So right now you just have top nav,

0:47:43.030 --> 0:47:44.130

side nav, that's it.

0:47:44.351 --> 0:47:47.311

And, you know, some little customization.

0:47:48.052 --> 0:47:48.291

Right.

0:47:49.532 --> 0:47:51.072

You have a nice-looking side nav,

0:47:51.092 --> 0:47:52.393

but then the logo is so

0:47:52.492 --> 0:47:53.733

small and ugly-looking.

0:47:54.614 --> 0:47:55.873

Can we please make that

0:47:55.954 --> 0:47:58.253

square bigger or something, right?

0:47:59.094 --> 0:48:00.034

Yeah, just more...

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.603

We want to tweak it a bit,

0:48:04.643 --> 0:48:05.983

like you're saying.

0:48:06.003 --> 0:48:07.445

Right.

0:48:07.744 --> 0:48:08.806

Every time I start a project,

0:48:09.045 --> 0:48:09.985

I take a deep breath and I

0:48:10.005 --> 0:48:12.228

just say to myself, it's not WordPress.

0:48:13.268 --> 0:48:14.248

It's not WordPress.

0:48:15.190 --> 0:48:16.130

I'll give you one here.

0:48:17.771 --> 0:48:18.431

Look,

0:48:18.451 --> 0:48:20.032

the reason why we're talking today is

0:48:20.092 --> 0:48:21.472

because I love doing Google

0:48:21.492 --> 0:48:22.753

Sites projects with my kids.

0:48:23.695 --> 0:48:27.016

And I'm about to unleash

0:48:27.536 --> 0:48:28.717

student portfolios

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using Google Sites.

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And I've had conversations

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with many educators.

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I've had many conversations

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even in our Facebook group

0:48:36.159 --> 0:48:38.141

there of how do you do this?

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And if we go back to Google Classroom,

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right,

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I create a doc and then I

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:47.481

assign that doc to you and

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then it does the make a copy.

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Everybody makes a copy.

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And if you do that process,

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the teacher has access to

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the doc 100% of the time and controls it.

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But that feature does not exist for sites.

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And so I need to find a way to do this,

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but right now I've created

0:49:11.038 --> 0:49:12.778

a template that I want to

0:49:12.818 --> 0:49:13.878

give out to my kids and

0:49:13.918 --> 0:49:15.320

it's got a page for every

0:49:15.420 --> 0:49:16.581

project that we're doing.

0:49:17.201 --> 0:49:18.101

And essentially the way my

0:49:18.161 --> 0:49:19.101

class works is we're gonna

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do an assignment and then

0:49:20.001 --> 0:49:21.202

they're gonna put it on the website.

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Do an assignment, put it on the website,

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right?

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You get the concept here.

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And many people have said,

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have the students,

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make the website and share it with you.

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And I'm going, no,

0:49:33.391 --> 0:49:34.592

then they're all going to look different.

0:49:35.313 --> 0:49:36.815

Or I now have to have a

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checkbox of who actually did it.

0:49:40.018 --> 0:49:41.179

So I don't get to the end of

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the year and realize that

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:43.721

Timmy hasn't done something

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yet for the last six weeks, right?

0:49:46.503 --> 0:49:47.523

So I have to create a

0:49:47.583 --> 0:49:48.744

situation where I can

0:49:48.804 --> 0:49:50.666

control this and I can see it.

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And that way they can't kick me out.

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Because if I create it and I

0:49:56.130 --> 0:49:57.190

share it with everybody,

0:49:58.085 --> 0:50:01.907

then I haven't used any classroom time.

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But if I say we're going to

0:50:03.608 --> 0:50:04.608

open up a Google site,

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and here's an example,

0:50:05.728 --> 0:50:06.989

make yours look like this,

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I've just taken three weeks

0:50:08.349 --> 0:50:09.050

of my life away.

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So the only way that I know how to do this,

0:50:13.371 --> 0:50:14.713

and I had to do this five

0:50:14.753 --> 0:50:15.773

years ago when I taught a

0:50:16.193 --> 0:50:18.614

course like this, was I make the template,

0:50:18.954 --> 0:50:21.295

I go into Drive, I hit Copy,

0:50:22.199 --> 0:50:22.878

Now you have two.

0:50:23.458 --> 0:50:24.760

I highlight them and copy.

0:50:24.820 --> 0:50:25.599

Now I have four.

0:50:25.619 --> 0:50:26.820

I highlight them and copy.

0:50:27.219 --> 0:50:28.320

And then I start again.

0:50:28.340 --> 0:50:30.860

I put Jeff's website and

0:50:30.940 --> 0:50:32.981

Kyle's website and Mary's website.

0:50:33.481 --> 0:50:36.581

And I do that times 100 individually.

0:50:37.041 --> 0:50:38.581

And then I go in and I share

0:50:38.641 --> 0:50:41.422

it with Kyle and Jeff and Mary.

0:50:41.742 --> 0:50:43.943

And you can see how much time this takes.

0:50:44.344 --> 0:50:45.204

But at the end...

0:50:46.043 --> 0:50:47.423

The only thing I have to

0:50:47.605 --> 0:50:49.184

fear is that they're going

0:50:49.204 --> 0:50:49.804

to get an email.

0:50:49.844 --> 0:50:51.266

And I told them all this the other day.

0:50:51.606 --> 0:50:52.485

You're going to get an email

0:50:52.525 --> 0:50:53.887

probably at two in the morning that says,

0:50:53.927 --> 0:50:55.067

Mr. Bradbury is sharing a

0:50:55.086 --> 0:50:55.847

website with you.

0:50:56.327 --> 0:50:58.007

Do not touch this thing

0:50:58.708 --> 0:51:00.409

because I can't control the theme.

0:51:01.317 --> 0:51:02.518

I can't control a box.

0:51:02.538 --> 0:51:03.318

So essentially when I make

0:51:03.358 --> 0:51:04.277

these templates for people,

0:51:04.637 --> 0:51:07.460

it's just the stock box options.

0:51:08.099 --> 0:51:08.940

So that way,

0:51:09.481 --> 0:51:10.780

God forbid a kid comes up and says,

0:51:10.820 --> 0:51:11.882

I accidentally deleted it.

0:51:11.922 --> 0:51:12.981

It's literally a one click

0:51:13.021 --> 0:51:16.784

and the template area is still in there.

0:51:16.804 --> 0:51:18.443

Am I missing something?

0:51:19.804 --> 0:51:22.166

There's no other way to mass

0:51:22.266 --> 0:51:24.266

produce in a way that is safe.

0:51:26.248 --> 0:51:27.088

Because again,

0:51:27.128 --> 0:51:27.748

I don't want to have a

0:51:27.788 --> 0:51:28.628

hundred and some kids

0:51:30.097 --> 0:51:31.878

I'm not trying to create web designers.

0:51:32.278 --> 0:51:34.278

I'm trying to give them a portfolio tool.

0:51:36.139 --> 0:51:37.480

There's no other way to do this.

0:51:37.659 --> 0:51:39.460

And so your answer might be,

0:51:39.860 --> 0:51:40.601

then don't use sites.

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.121

Find a different platform, right?

0:51:45.382 --> 0:51:46.422

But those platforms, of course,

0:51:46.461 --> 0:51:46.862

cost money.

0:51:48.083 --> 0:51:48.963

How would you do this?

0:51:49.143 --> 0:51:50.282

Am I on the right track for this?

0:51:50.663 --> 0:51:52.043

How would you create a

0:51:52.063 --> 0:51:53.003

scenario where if you

0:51:53.043 --> 0:51:54.824

wanted to give this

0:51:54.943 --> 0:51:56.425

template or this site out to 100 kids...

0:51:59.076 --> 0:52:00.117

Yeah,

0:52:00.157 --> 0:52:02.538

this exact scenario cropped up on the

0:52:02.597 --> 0:52:03.478

product forums.

0:52:03.958 --> 0:52:05.059

Maybe it was you that posted it.

0:52:05.079 --> 0:52:05.679

I don't even know.

0:52:05.699 --> 0:52:06.481

Probably.

0:52:07.541 --> 0:52:08.762

But yeah,

0:52:08.782 --> 0:52:10.563

and the solution was what you're

0:52:10.623 --> 0:52:12.664

currently doing is the solution,

0:52:12.864 --> 0:52:14.425

the best solution we could make.

0:52:14.505 --> 0:52:16.067

Because when you make the

0:52:16.126 --> 0:52:17.907

sites or make the copies of the sites,

0:52:18.668 --> 0:52:19.668

you by default are the

0:52:19.748 --> 0:52:20.590

owner of that site.

0:52:20.710 --> 0:52:22.291

And the student can't go and

0:52:22.351 --> 0:52:23.672

remove you as the owner.

0:52:24.211 --> 0:52:25.592

So you have that security knowing,

0:52:25.693 --> 0:52:25.972

you know,

0:52:26.193 --> 0:52:27.514

I always have access to this site,

0:52:27.534 --> 0:52:28.474

to the student site.

0:52:28.956 --> 0:52:29.215

Yeah.

0:52:29.876 --> 0:52:30.538

Yeah.

0:52:30.557 --> 0:52:32.001

So otherwise you're putting

0:52:32.061 --> 0:52:33.081

too much control and

0:52:33.101 --> 0:52:35.545

freedom in and sort of, you know,

0:52:38.530 --> 0:52:39.610

some question as to whether

0:52:39.650 --> 0:52:40.170

the student's going to

0:52:40.210 --> 0:52:41.692

follow up on sharing it to

0:52:41.771 --> 0:52:43.373

you or putting it in the

0:52:43.413 --> 0:52:45.313

folder or whatever.

0:52:45.494 --> 0:52:46.494

It's hard enough to get the

0:52:46.534 --> 0:52:47.614

kids to do the assignments

0:52:47.675 --> 0:52:48.856

I'm giving them through Classroom,

0:52:48.876 --> 0:52:51.456

but at least I can look and say, hey, mom,

0:52:51.677 --> 0:52:54.159

hey, administrator, the kid didn't do it.

0:52:54.659 --> 0:52:56.079

But to have the situation

0:52:56.099 --> 0:52:57.239

where maybe the kid was working,

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:57.920

but they didn't share it

0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.021

with you or they didn't

0:52:59.041 --> 0:53:00.621

share it with you the right way or,

0:53:01.762 --> 0:53:02.003

you know,

0:53:02.103 --> 0:53:03.244

it's going to take me a lot of

0:53:03.284 --> 0:53:04.023

time to do this.

0:53:04.523 --> 0:53:05.405

I don't want to do it.

0:53:06.393 --> 0:53:07.074

But at the same time,

0:53:07.135 --> 0:53:07.875

I want them to have

0:53:07.954 --> 0:53:09.456

something where they're –

0:53:09.456 --> 0:53:10.257

we're going to do a project

0:53:10.277 --> 0:53:11.398

where we're making a logo.

0:53:11.838 --> 0:53:12.039

Great.

0:53:12.099 --> 0:53:13.360

The logo goes on the website.

0:53:13.380 --> 0:53:14.179

They're going to make a banner.

0:53:14.219 --> 0:53:15.501

The banner goes on the website.

0:53:16.141 --> 0:53:17.001

We're building out this

0:53:17.021 --> 0:53:18.384

little monster throughout

0:53:18.443 --> 0:53:19.565

the semester here.

0:53:20.385 --> 0:53:21.226

And I love doing this.

0:53:22.407 --> 0:53:24.588

I just hate this part of the process.

0:53:25.369 --> 0:53:27.030

You don't like the 100 copies process?

0:53:27.231 --> 0:53:28.050

No.

0:53:28.170 --> 0:53:29.733

I understand that.

0:53:30.603 --> 0:53:31.224

I'm sorry.

0:53:31.244 --> 0:53:32.726

I can't help you anymore.

0:53:33.246 --> 0:53:34.748

I know for the last 12 years

0:53:34.789 --> 0:53:35.650

we've been crying for

0:53:35.690 --> 0:53:36.751

page-level permissions,

0:53:37.192 --> 0:53:38.534

but the teacher in me is saying,

0:53:38.954 --> 0:53:40.056

I'll take Google Classroom

0:53:40.097 --> 0:53:41.958

integration any day.

0:53:42.981 --> 0:53:43.862

Please let us know.

0:53:43.942 --> 0:53:44.641

So Kyle,

0:53:44.661 --> 0:53:46.164

when you talk to your Google friends,

0:53:46.284 --> 0:53:47.385

please push that one up there.

0:53:48.965 --> 0:53:50.347

Kyle, look,

0:53:50.427 --> 0:53:51.907

clearly we're nerding out about

0:53:51.947 --> 0:53:52.449

all this stuff.

0:53:52.489 --> 0:53:53.168

But if you're out there

0:53:53.208 --> 0:53:54.250

still listening to this show,

0:53:54.590 --> 0:53:55.851

we would love to hear from you guys.

0:53:55.931 --> 0:53:56.911

Please feel free to reach out.

0:53:56.952 --> 0:53:57.193

Kyle,

0:53:57.233 --> 0:53:58.353

where can we hear more about the

0:53:58.393 --> 0:53:58.974

great things that you're

0:53:58.994 --> 0:54:00.916

doing over at Kirksville Web Design?

0:54:00.936 --> 0:54:04.699

My website is kirksvillewebdesign.com.

0:54:04.838 --> 0:54:06.500

So I would follow that.

0:54:06.599 --> 0:54:06.820

I mean,

0:54:07.221 --> 0:54:08.481

from there you can find anything

0:54:08.541 --> 0:54:09.822

else social media wise.

0:54:10.748 --> 0:54:10.967

Nice.

0:54:11.648 --> 0:54:12.027

And of course,

0:54:12.047 --> 0:54:14.289

you can find us over at teachercast.net.

0:54:14.349 --> 0:54:15.128

All of our instructional

0:54:15.168 --> 0:54:16.128

coaching stuff is over at

0:54:16.228 --> 0:54:17.469

askthetechcoach.com.

0:54:17.849 --> 0:54:19.010

We are going to be creating

0:54:19.090 --> 0:54:20.231

a ton of content.

0:54:20.251 --> 0:54:20.971

We're going to be doing some

0:54:21.010 --> 0:54:23.010

Google Sites tutorials and

0:54:23.291 --> 0:54:24.391

making sure that you guys

0:54:24.431 --> 0:54:25.411

have all that you need for

0:54:25.431 --> 0:54:26.331

your coaching program.

0:54:26.632 --> 0:54:27.693

And that wraps up episode

0:54:27.733 --> 0:54:32.434

number 254 of Ask the Tech Coach.

0:54:32.474 --> 0:54:33.313

On behalf of Kyle and

0:54:33.353 --> 0:54:33.974

everybody here on the

0:54:33.994 --> 0:54:35.275

TeacherCast Educational Network,

0:54:35.315 --> 0:54:36.394

my name is Jeff Bradbury,

0:54:36.835 --> 0:54:37.614

reminding you guys to keep

0:54:37.655 --> 0:54:38.375

up the great work in your

0:54:38.394 --> 0:54:39.255

classrooms and continue

0:54:39.275 --> 0:54:40.076

sharing your passions.

0:54:42.059 --> 0:54:42.800

Reminding you guys to keep

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.085

up one edit point.

0:54:47.208 --> 0:54:47.971

Reminding you guys to keep

0:54:48.010 --> 0:54:48.751

up the great work in your

0:54:48.791 --> 0:54:49.773

classrooms and continue

0:54:49.793 --> 0:54:51.478

sharing your passions with your students.