Oct. 15, 2025

Built by Lessons: Leadership, Resilience, and Growth with Gary Daly

Built by Lessons: Leadership, Resilience, and Growth with Gary Daly

How do tough lessons become your greatest leadership assets and fuel lasting growth? Jon Goehring, Coach Jim Johnson, and Dr. Rehnuma Karim welcome Gary Daly — global entrepreneur, author of Built by Lessons, and advocate of personal development...

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How do tough lessons become your greatest leadership assets and fuel lasting growth?

Jon Goehring, Coach Jim Johnson, and Dr. Rehnuma Karim welcome Gary Daly — global entrepreneur, author of Built by Lessons, and advocate of personal development through authentic experience — for a wide-ranging discussion on transforming challenges into triumphs.

Gary shares his unique journey from sales novice to seasoned leader, including his transformative experience training with Wim Hof and learning the power of breath and mindset.

Drawing from decades of cross-cultural living and leadership, he unpacks:

  • How embracing discomfort and surrender leads to flow and growth
  • The science and practice of breathwork to regulate emotion and boost resilience
  • Storytelling’s power to connect, inspire, and pass down legacy
  • Overcoming fears in public speaking and mastering authentic communication
  • Navigating cultural diversity and adaptability in leadership around the globe
  • Lessons learned from early career setbacks, risk-taking, and mentorship
  • Recommended foundational leaders and books for personal and professional growth
Whether you’re an emerging leader facing uncertainty or a seasoned professional refining your craft, this episode provides a holistic roadmap for thriving in leadership and life with courage and clarity.

Check out Gary's Book, Built By Lessons: 

https://www.amazon.com/Built-Lessons-Turn-Challenges-Triumphs/dp/B0DW8V9CJY/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2AOD30DG
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Do you want to be a leader in a constantly

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changing world? Our emerging leaders look different, come from various

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backgrounds and from all different age groups. Leadership is changing

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You can be an e merging leader. Welcome to the

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I'm really excited for today's conversation. It's another try generational

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conversation for you, the emerging leader, because we have three

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generations representative here. I'm John Kering, you're doctor Ian mccareham,

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and the coach Jim Johnson, and we love to bring

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on guests to help you, the young and emerging leaders

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in different areas of your leadership journey. When you're just

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it's never too late to continue your learning journey when

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it comes to leadership. So let's dive right in today. Coach,

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you have brought along yet another great guest, So let's

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introduce Gary and get our conversation going.

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Yeah, it's our first guest from Dubai. So Gary, we're

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excited to have you. I got a chance to have

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a zoom call before we did this interview, and so

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I'm just gonna share a little bio. He's got a

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lot of great things, but he says, I'm Irish and

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I'm a twin. He spent the last fifteen years working

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in tech sales across three continents Sydney, London, Galway and

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now he lives in Dubai along the way he's grown

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up professionally but also personally. He's deeply passionate about personal development,

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public speaking, meditation, football and fitness. And I think the

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football is actually in our country would be called soccer.

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So I just want to clarify it for our audience here,

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and this is going to I'm going definitely ask about

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this because I have heard of this gentleman something slightly

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out of the ordinary. He once climbed a mountain in

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Poland in sub zero temperatures wearing only shorts. That was

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with wind Hoff, which I'm very familiar with Wind's work.

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In twenty twenty, his personal growth journey has led him

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to write a book, and it's called Built by Lessons,

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Turn Your Challenges into Your Triumphs. It's a reflection of

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the ups and downs, the mentors and moments of clarity

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and hard earned insights that have helped shaped who he is.

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He wrote it for anyone feels stuck, uncertain, or just

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ready to grow. It's a book I wish I had

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in my twenties. He currently now has probably worked at

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Cisco since two twenty fourteen. He also does some personal

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and business coaching and without a further ado, Gary welcome

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to the Limitless Leadership lunch.

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Oh, thank you so much. It's great to be here,

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and I love the diversity of the group as well,

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so I'm excited to chat to you all.

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Actually, we brand ourselves as try generational and I hate

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to say this, Gary, but I am the old one

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of the three. But I got to ask you right

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away because I've heard whim a few times on various

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podcasts interviews, and I've studied a little bit of his work.

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I do, I'm not I don't know a lot about it,

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but you've got to tell us a story about that

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journey on the mountain in shorts and what you learned

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from that.

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Yeah. Absolutely. So his name is Wim Hoff, So if

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you haven't heard of him, google him. So long story short,

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he basically would setting sort of world records for the

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longest saturation and essentially like an ice and he climbed

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Everest in shorts and he was healing his immune system.

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actually came back and landed and to London on a

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plane from Vegas and my back.

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one was really finding the root cause. And then there

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was one physio who was very much focused on like breathing,

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and he was saying that I was very tense up

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all the time. So he then asked me, like, had

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I heard it of wim Hoff And I said, vaguely,

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I've read about him, and he said he changed my

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whole practice. So that got the light bulbs at a

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moment going off of my head, and basically I then

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googled a seminar with him. He was in London, where

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I was living at the time. I went to this

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seminar and it said basically, bring yoga shorts or yoga

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mass and shorts and that's all you need. And I

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was very intrigued by that. So he taught us how

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to breathe, which was healing your immune system. And then

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when you learned how to breathe, he brought us into

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the ice water for two minutes, and it was the

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coldest thing I've ever been in, but he got us

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to bring our breath back and then you didn't even

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realize you're in the ice bat you were just you

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were nowhere, and it was really nice. Then I went

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to Poland after doing another sort of retreat in Ireland,

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and that was amazing. We learned more breathing techniques, went

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into the ice cold water for ten minutes in Poland,

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which was phenomenal, met amazing people, and at the end

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we climbed the mountain with him in nothing but short

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and a backpack, and that was pretty surreal because it

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was like a silent retreat almost in terms of a

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walk up the mountain, and there was at one stage

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at the top of the mountain someone had to move

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their car another say Polish couple because there's like restaurants

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at the top of the mountain. All of our group

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had to stop and then we suddenly realized, oh my god,

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it's absolutely freezing. But we were just so focused on

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the mission and our breath that we didn't realize. And

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it's even brought like profound things into how I work

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and how I deal with pressure as well. So that's

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just a highlight reel.

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I don't I get delve in one thing because I've

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started to study and I do some various breathing techniques,

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so certainly we can't go through all that, but I

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know my co hosts have a lot of questions for

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you as well, But I do got to delve in this.

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Can you share just because we want to help young

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and emerging leaders And usually when you get into leadership,

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you have a lot of stress on you and it's

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something that I think is getting bigger, but it's something

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still not taught that much as far as using proper breathing.

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So can you give us one that maybe you learned

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that you could help a young leader that's really stressed with.

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Yeah, one hundred percent. And by the way, there's loads

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of different methods. This is called the whim half method,

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but there's box breathing, all those different things. But in

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the morning, I get up and I'll do It's basically

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like thirty breaths in and out, and you're breathing from

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your belly. So when you're breathing in, your belly's gone up,

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and you breathe out, your belly's gone down, and the

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focus is more you inhale, but then the exhale is

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a lot more a lot more focus on the excel,

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so you're almost like breathing out the pressure. And then

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at the end of the thirty bread you hold it

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and you hold for as long as you can, and

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then you release, and you do three rounds of this

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and I sometimes see lights colors, and I just feel

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like a lot of gratitude from it now transparently some

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people they might release it could have whatever's inside you

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with releases it, so to speak. And I do think

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there's definitely and sport for an example, before Ornaldo will

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take a free kick, you see the breathing, the bread out,

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and I think even in a work situation, I'll give

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you a very quick example. Someone spilt coffee or it

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could have been me, we still don't know, over my

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laptop at an event and someone said to me like,

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how are you not freaking out right now? And I

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genuinely think it was because of the breathing and because

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I have surrendered into the process, and I found that

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it was really helpful to me, and I'm sure it'll

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be helpful to younger people because I wish I was

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in that mindset when I was younger.

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I just had a clarvey. I'm sorry, Ruman. Just is

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when you say exhale, are you exhaling from your mouth

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or from your nose?

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Very good point, Jess, Why will typically breathe in from

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my nose and then exhale with the mouth. Yeah, but

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I think either is fine, wim Hoff said, either way,

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it's fine, but typically you'll breathe out with the mouth

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because you'll get the most oxygen out. I guess, okay.

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Yeah, And I think we need this breathing practice nowadays

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more than ever because so many stress factors just sitting

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in our computer table or so many other things that

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are challenging us.

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All the time.

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We have so many tension points in our shoulder back

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all the time. So I think this breathing technique really

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helps because I've been practicing that a little bit and

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it really lets all the stress points a little bit

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losing up. So thank you so much for sharing that

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needed that one. Just piggybacking on your experience with climbing

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and climbing the mountain, I could feel like once I've

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when I started climbing, like trekking through the Colorado Mountain,

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when the breathing got heavier because I did not carry

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any oxygen mask or anything like that. But going to

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that top, there are so many challenges that you have

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to internal challenges that you can experience. Oh, should I

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be going, should I feel like cold or this or that.

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So what are like some of the challenges or what

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are some of the life lessons do you think climbing

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can give us? And it could be some of the

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leadership metaphors like from climbing the hill, because we often

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use these metaphors like it's like climbing the hill, the

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destination is there, but you.

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Would like to give up before going to the top.

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What keeps you going?

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So any ide lessons that you have learned from climbing

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that you can also translate into your leadership skills.

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Yeah, really good question. So I think a lot of

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it is mindset and all honesty. And just to give

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you a bit of context, like we were there for

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five days and before we climb the mountain, we had

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be gone into like ice cold water, and like you

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didn't really believe you were going to go into that

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and survive it. And whenever we went into that ice

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cold water, you're basically it's like a metaphor for stress,

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Like it's you're going into a stressful situation and everything

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is coming up, but you have to just completely focus

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on your breath so that you're getting rid of everything

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else and then eventually you realize like okay, everything is good, ungrateful,

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all of that different stuff. And wim Hoff said to us,

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like maybe the day before the mountain, he said, you

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guys have already climbed the mountain, like you've already done it,

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like tomorrow is just the actual reality of doing it.

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As corny and all as that sounds like, it is,

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it's all a mental game.

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It's in your head.

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And like for me, when I was climbing that mountain,

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I was totally focused on gratitude, and I was looking

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around at my colleagues who became really good friends with

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and if there was a little moment of struggle, just

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like when we're in the water, you'd look at someone

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and you'd know like they got your back.

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So for me, that was probably the key.

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So the trust, a trust from your companions, trusting the environment.

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and adaptation, so you have to be resilient, so all

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these elements. It is so fascinating that you can touch

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down so many points of leadership just through this climbing experience.

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like when I'm in Ireland, I love good into the

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ice cold water that we have in Ireland. And someone

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like patience, like you're just accepting the process.

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you're not pushing against something.

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because I know a lot of people are trying to

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that in their own ways with little home ways of

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doing that, which might be ice back or even an

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ice shower something like that. Could you talk a little

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bit about the benefits of that, because you referenced earlier

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how it forces you to focus on your breath. Would

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you recommend even if somebody doesn't have the opportunity to

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climb Everston Shorts, what they can do instead to achieve

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the same results.

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Poland and the Czech Republic, so wim Hoff was the

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one who climbed Everes, so I definitely. But for me,

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when I started off, even going back to the retreat

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that I did in London, I made a commitment and

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I gamified the experience to say a WhatsApp group of

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my friends, I said I'm going to do a coal

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shower every day. And this was like twenty eighteen and

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I committed to it. And I remember I went to

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a wedding in Ireland and then I was waking up

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that morning catching a flight and I said, okay, this

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sort of lukewarm shower. Right, you'll just turn the knob

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for the last maybe thirty seconds or one minute and

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then just completely focus on your breathing. And I found

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when I gamified it that sort of got me into

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the routine of doing it. And it's a bit like

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not much that's going to be worse than that. It

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actually gives you energy as well. And in Ireland there's

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someone who said, I don't like the man who went

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in to say the water the cold water, but I

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love the man who came out, So he's getting rid

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of all the bad energy maybe so to speak, and

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you're coming out a different person.

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Wow, Gary, I get a flip because I could talk

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all day. I've always intrigued by this, but those research

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I saw that you did a global pitch competition where

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you pitched an idea to some executives, and it's something

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as a leader you've got to do. Often, especially young

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leaders are tending to be very nervous about doing that.

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Can you give us some advice because I know you

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had some success in that as far as preparing for

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a pitch in how to come across so that people

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buy into your ideas.

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Yeah, one hundred percent. A lot of it.

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Like everything even in the book, it's all holistic, like

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all these little things that I've done are stacking on

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top of each other. So once again to give a

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bit of context, like I'm not a natural public speaker.

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If someone saw me now, maybe they'll think differently. But

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I was a person that sweated through a suit and

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university and had to leave the room. It was a

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joint presentation, Like I couldn't stay in the room because

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it was soaked. So I was always like very anxious,

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and this is why I started seeking out things like

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wim Hoff and different elements in my life. So there

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was global pitching competition in work, and I really just

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focus on being myself right because there's no one like me,

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there's no one like you.

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And if you're.

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Authentic, like authentic speakers, I love because it's your truth,

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Like you can't fake the truth right like you if

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you just keep showing up being authentic. So I thought

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that that was the good point to start with. But

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then there's three simple things, right, tell them what you're

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going to tell them, tell them, and then tell them

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what you just told them. So I always liked the

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rule of three when I'm presenting because it keeps things simple.

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another way to do it. And I had more advice

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then from another mentor who said, what are the three

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things that you really want to convey when you're speaking?

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And this person was someone I really admired and he

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said he was like gratitude, energy, and passion, and I

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could completely see that when he spoke, and as he

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said to me, my three are going to be completely

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different to hiss. But have a little think about that.

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And the obvious one is practiced like I practic just

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so much with this practice the front of my parents

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and practice the front of my wife, my siblings. I

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hit record as well, so that I got used to

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my voice. And also, like you have to seek out help.

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I was talking about technical details, and you know, I'm

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not a super technical person, so then I reached out

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to people who are and asked them how can we

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simplify this? So for me it was like fun.

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At the end.

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When I actually pitched to the CEO, it was a

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flow state. I don't even remember us. I was just

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completely in flow and in the process.

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And also mastered the skill, then the fears suddenly start

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to go down.

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So that plays a huge role.

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And you are so right about the mind manifesting things

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in the mind. Often before I go to the pitch

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to the fundraisers and stuff like that, I play the

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whole picture in my head, like I'm entering the office.

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This is what I saying. What is going wrong? I

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need to hear myself and that makes things easier when

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I'm actually in this scenario exactly, I hear you on

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a different note, as we are all observing, especially in America,

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we are in a crazy scenario where diversity and all

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those things are taking a back seat and.

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We are becoming challenged.

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We are being challenged to understand each other, people from

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different races, immigrants, all these elements. And you are now

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in a Dubai in a totally different country with different

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cultural values.

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And we often hear in America like fear the Muslims.

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The mayor is mayor of New York City is Muslim,

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there will be sharia, lah and all.

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Those kinds of things.

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So as a leader, we also have to adapt to changes,

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keep an open mind. So all these elements. So from

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your experience, you are in Dubai, a Muslim predominant Muslim country.

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But what are your take when you embrace this diverse

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environment and culture. So if anybody is listening from outside

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Dubai embracing a new culture, going into a new world,

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a different shift in the career, what are your takeaways

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are your advice or how do you see Dubai when

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you went there?

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And now?

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So I've been privileged to live in four different countries.

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in the UK, and now I'm living in Dubai, and

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each country is amazing. Obviously I love my homeland, I

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love my people, all that good stuff, but definitely travel

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broadens the mind. Living in all these countries has taught

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me something different, but one hundred percent moving to Dubai, Like,

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it's so multicultural. There's every type of culture that you

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can imagine here in all honestly, there's so many benefits

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to living in Dubai. But like for me, it really

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comes down to the people. And I'm working with people

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from Lebanon, from Egypt, from Sudan, from every country that

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you can imagine. Really and for me being raised in

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Ireland and even living in the other countries, like I

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can't say that I had someone who is a Lebanese

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friend or someone who was from a Man or Kuwait

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or wherever it may be. And what I really like

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here is it's completely different when you're living in it, right,

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And a lot of these people maybe aren't even here

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by choice right Their country might be going through some

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sort of hardships and tough times which I haven't experienced

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in Ireland.

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Like I said, there's a bit.

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Of privilege there, but it's actually very there's a lot

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of empathy and gratitude that I have for meeting these

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people because they really do just broaden your horizons. And

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one of my neighbors in Ireland used to say, people

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as people, and my dad always says, we all laugh

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the same, we all cried the same, So you just

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realized that that everyone is I think everyone is good

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deep down and like the majority of people that I've

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met in life for great and it's no different to

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being here as well. And like I said, they've taught

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me a lot of lessons as well along the way.

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Do you have to to any of the customs or

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cultural elements when you are in Dubai or is it

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like everywhere else?

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There's obviously little nuances like maybe you don't shake some

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people's hands like you might just acknowledge them. Sometimes it

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can be a bit more direct here. They work in sales.

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There's a bit more directness compared to maybe say Arlan

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in the UK, where you'll ask about people's weekends in

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the first couple of minutes of a conversation, whereas here

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is very direct. So yeah, there's loads of little nuances.

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Like you ask, you get curious and you might say

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something that you know you're not aware of and people

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will just correct you and they know that it comes

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from a good place that you didn't know this. It's

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ignorance in a way, right, how could you know in

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certain circumstances. So yeah, there's little things, but overall you're

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it's it's very similar. But like I said, there's always

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nuances here and there.

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Yeah, great points and what a powerful way to expand

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your horizons. It's literally by living in different places and

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travel is so fun and enjoyable and also eye opening

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and gary. It's also interesting when it comes to some

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cross cultural differences in areas of leadership. Have you noticed

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some differences there when it comes to leaders in Ireland

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and the UK versus leaders down in Dubai. How are

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there some changes and how are there still skills that

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are transferable? But you need to be a bit adaptable

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to be a leader in either place.

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Yeah, that's a really good question.

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And actually I really like this region here because what

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I've seen maybe in the corporate world is like people

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who've maybe moved from Europe to this region for a

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couple of years, then when they go back, maybe they

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go back to the US, So they go back to Europe,

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like they get even maybe higher positions because they've experienced

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everything that I've just spoken about, Like they're learning about

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different cultures. So perhaps then if they go back to

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the US, so they go back to Europe, like there's

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people from within this region on their teams, and they

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understand them, they've learned about them, they've opened their mind

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on that. So I guess it's not the easiest question

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to answer in away because there's so many different cultures

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and there's so many there's benefits, and of course there's

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pros and cons to every different set of leadership style.

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Like I can't say that, hey, what we do in

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Ireland or the UK is way better than what they

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do here. You're gonna you're picking things from loads of

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different leaders in all Honestly, I've been blessed with the

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leaders that I've worked with. They understand that you're a

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human being, that you're not a robot, all that type

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of stuff. So I think when it's human centered, human focused,

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like everything else is just it just is what it is, right,

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There's different styles, but as long as they understand that

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they're speaking to human and that you have a life

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outside of work, then I think for me, that's that's

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what separates the great leaders. And you could find them

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here and you could find them in the US or

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Ireland or anywhere else for that matter.

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I often I taught the International Tourism class and there

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the time management was one of the air things. Like

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in Brazil, time is seen as a different way. In

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Arab countries, time has a different way.

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So like in.

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Dubai Dubai, do you feel that it's it has modernized

475
00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:19.119
that time because there is Bangladeshi time. If you say

476
00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.359
that it's seven, then we will go there at nine,

477
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.799
So something like that. What is the time like the

478
00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:29.000
time issue that you have found like time management?

479
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:30.640
Yeah, I guess.

480
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.279
Look, it's a fair point definitely, like in in Ireland

481
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.240
to the UK, if you say a certain time, it's

482
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:37.680
you have to be there at that time.

483
00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:38.599
There probably is.

484
00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.039
Maybe, like you said that, you might say nine hey,

485
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.720
it could be nine thirty type thing, and it's just

486
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:45.960
maybe culturally accepted that type of thing.

487
00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.160
But yeah, I know that.

488
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.000
Of course there's little nuances like that you'll start a

489
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:52.200
little bit later here like then you'll finish a little

490
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.599
bit later. So yeah, no, there's definitely differences like that

491
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.680
one hundred percent. And maybe at the start some people

492
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.519
are like, oh, but we we do that different way

493
00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.279
back home. But then you have to be like, I'm

494
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.079
in a different place now, I'm not. You see the

495
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.920
world through your eyes, not other people's eyes. So you

496
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.880
have to learn to accept those things and just embrace it,

497
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.759
because otherwise you're not going to leave your house in

498
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.039
the morning because there'll be different situations that maybe you

499
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.440
don't agree with. So yeah, it's all about embracing the cultures.

500
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:27.440
Good pointy. I wanted augments because I really liked your

501
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.559
thoughts about getting into public speaking, because in fact that

502
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.160
you suffered pretty greatly, which a lot of people do,

503
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.960
including and I've done a lot of private public presentations,

504
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.799
and I wanted to augment that. You said you practiced

505
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.759
a lot, and that's something people forget and I'll just

506
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.119
say one thing that I add is that, because you've

507
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.480
got to capture people's attention, you should practice your intro

508
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.519
even more than you do anything else, and then practice

509
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.119
your clothes because those are tend to be the two

510
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.319
things that people remember the most. So I just thought

511
00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:03.839
i'd share that, but thank you for that. I got

512
00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:06.279
to delve into tell us because obviously we'd like to

513
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.799
see people get your book, But tell us about your book,

514
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.119
maybe share one story from them, because it's an intriguing

515
00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.640
title built by lessons turn your challenges into triumphs.

516
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.559
So tell us a.

517
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.119
Little bit of what the reader would get from reading

518
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.519
your book, and maybe share a story from it.

519
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:23.640
Yeah, so here is said book.

520
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.559
So yeah, built were Gary.

521
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.599
I liked that you teed me up nicely.

522
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.559
Ultimately, what the story is about, so to speak, is

523
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.920
like I had a great upbringing an Ireland, like wonderful family,

524
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:40.519
like great siblings, fantastic I went to university, and then

525
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.680
after university, in all honesty, I think I froze because

526
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.720
I went backpacking and I didn't really know what I

527
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.960
wanted to do. And I think, now having hindsight, I

528
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.279
think it's because all of the institutionals that of the universities,

529
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:55.759
they all put a goal on you. You need to

530
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.640
get this grade, and it's all set on you by them.

531
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:00.599
But then when it comes to your own goals, like

532
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.359
I didn't really know what I wanted to do in

533
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.880
all honesty, so I fell into a sales role in

534
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.359
Australia and unfortunately the company that I worked for went

535
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.160
bankrupt and like administration liquidation. So it was a really

536
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.000
testing time. And on this like twenty four twenty three

537
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.759
year old over in Australia, I did have my sibling

538
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.119
and my sister were actually over there as well at

539
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:25.400
the same time, which helped. But still you're just lost

540
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.960
and you're, yeah, you're looking for ways to yeah, make

541
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.359
your way in the world and understand. So I went

542
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:34.200
through a lot of anxiety back then. But then there

543
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:36.359
was one moment, and it's sort of the key moment

544
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.160
of the book, where my twin brother actually handed me

545
00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.799
a ticket to a business and life seminar and Tony

546
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.920
Robbins was one of the flagship speakers, and I was

547
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.880
lying down on the futon sort of feeling sorry for myself,

548
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.440
and I could easily have said, no way, I'm not

549
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.440
going to go. But it was a little bit like

550
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.599
there was a magic with this ticket, like with the

551
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.279
way he even showed it to me, and I said,

552
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.960
you know what, I'll go and I go into the

553
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.720
business seminar. And if you see Tony Robbins life for

554
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.839
the first time and you've not heard of him, this

555
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.599
was like seeing the matrix. It just completely opened up

556
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.720
my eyes to everything.

557
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:10.279
Now.

558
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.400
I was in the wrong vehicle with the business I

559
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.599
was in because it was going bankrupt, and no matter

560
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.720
how good I got a public speaking or sales, I

561
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.119
was never going to make it there. So I did

562
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.200
stay in the company for a little bit longer, but

563
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:24.400
that was just because I was in the business seminar

564
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.880
mode and I was practicing things and speaking to different people,

565
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.039
going to seminars at the weekend, spending like twenty four

566
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.119
dollars on a pubbly like a cold calling program, learning

567
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.720
how to do sales. And then I realized, Okay, I

568
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.880
have all the theory completely down, so now why don't

569
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.480
I go back to Europe and get in the right vehicle.

570
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.039
And ultimately I found that with the company that I

571
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.200
work for today, and I've done like international moves, I've

572
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.079
won global pitching competition. So the whole book was basically,

573
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.160
how can I reverse engineer what I've done back to

574
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.000
when before I got that ticket to the seminar and

575
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.359
then teach people who are going through something similar to

576
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.839
find their path earlier and accelerate their success as well.

577
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.400
And there's loads of different stories about the mentors that

578
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.960
I've had obviously traveling with wim Hoff and poland understanding

579
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.319
how to set goals, how to set a vision, and

580
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.039
also understanding that, yeah, there's destiny helpers out there, because

581
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.240
ultimately we're antennas and we're always receiving messages and you

582
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:23.920
have to be open to the messages.

583
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.519
Yeah, and to receive the messages, you have to have

584
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:33.079
that knowledge, not only information, but knowledge, and that is

585
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.200
when your riticular activating system just go up. And Tony,

586
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.799
I think Tony Robbins talked about this activating system. When

587
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.079
you know that this knowledge is there, when you have

588
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.160
the awareness, then you start to peek on.

589
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:49.720
All the information that is coming through you.

590
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.440
And I always believe that life is not about only

591
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:58.599
success stories. We have to experience challenges and failures in

592
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:03.359
order to grow. So you grew from that experience and

593
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.680
probably you won't be here in Dubai. If everything went

594
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.880
nice in Australia, you won't be here in Dubai.

595
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:14.160
You might be stuck in the pre environment.

596
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.039
Yes, the universe has planned for us and we just

597
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.400
walked through it with an open raidar.

598
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.599
My last question to you, You are in.

599
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.480
The field of IT technology and all these elements, and

600
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.720
we are hearing so many stories and fear stories about

601
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.000
AI and this we human will be no more needed.

602
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.319
What is your overall take, like, where is leadership or

603
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.519
human skill going with AI becoming more humanistic with the era,

604
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.119
like within ten years, the AI will be doing all

605
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.720
our thinking, like I don't need to think about and

606
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.519
when I'm using some time, I'm using chat chat GPT,

607
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:53.200
it is.

608
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.160
Scary to see like it is surpassing me.

609
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:02.680
So what are your thoughts on merging this AI and

610
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.119
human skill together?

611
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.519
Do we need us in the future at all?

612
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.039
Yes, one hundred percent we do. And I think everything

613
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:14.039
is disguised as maybe they could be. You could see

614
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.039
it as a problem, but then there's massive opportunities from this.

615
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.680
And I'll give you two examples. I was watching this

616
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.119
movie with my wife. It was about there was basically

617
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.839
these ladies who were the mathematicians behind a NASA around

618
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.960
the sort of flying to the moon and basically end

619
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.319
that movie, and I forget who was in it now,

620
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.400
so apologies, but I'll try and dig it out later.

621
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.759
But they were given this sort of a machine and

622
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.640
they were like, oh, we don't really need those ladies

623
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.480
that were doing the maths anymore. And ultimately then it

624
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.400
was like, how do we actually work the machine? And

625
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.960
then they're like, actually, we know how. So then they

626
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.759
were the ones in charge of the machine, and I

627
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.200
and my company asked someone, I need to learn a

628
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.119
little bit more about AI, so they recommended a book

629
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.279
to me, and long story short, at the end of

630
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.400
the book, there was this nursing home and it was

631
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.920
completely automated AI everywhere. So everyone was like, job done, amazing,

632
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.079
we don't need any sort of one to help us.

633
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.839
But what they found was that the help us was

634
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.039
like inundated with calls, like they were getting calls upon calls,

635
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.039
and they're like, I thought we had everything automated, And

636
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.559
it turns out that the patients just wanted to speak

637
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.759
to human at the end of the phone. So the

638
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.200
moral of the story really is like that human connection.

639
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.319
I don't think is ever going to go away. And

640
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.319
I think if you're not reinventing yourself constantly, then of

641
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:32.200
course there may be challenges to your career. But I

642
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.799
think if you're curious and you're constantly reinventing yourself, like

643
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.519
public speaking, like we just mentioned, that's something that's gone

644
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.160
back to the caveman times. So if you learn skills

645
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.920
like that, I think you'll be fine. But also embrace

646
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.880
some of these like CHATGBT, because ultimately we will need

647
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.359
to use that because there's some mundane tasks that you

648
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.200
don't want to have to do. If we can get

649
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.359
that automated, then we can focus on being more creative

650
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.640
sort of in our life. I think that's so great.

651
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.480
That a great point, and this is one of my

652
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.920
big takeaways here is the power of public speaking, so

653
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.680
tying that into AI and some of these emerging technologies.

654
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.000
As a public speaker. You talk about your experience with

655
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.000
Tony Robbins and that's proof in and of itself, right,

656
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.000
But how can someone leverage these AI tools but also

657
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:25.039
be that genuine, authentic public speaker as a leader that

658
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.480
can get their team or their audience to really buy

659
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.640
into their message for me.

660
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.200
How I learned public speaking was I started going to Toastmasters,

661
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.799
which is like an international organization. There's one in goal

662
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.799
Away in Ireland where I'm from, there's one in Dubai.

663
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:43.240
There's definitely ones in the US. And there's a story

664
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.160
in the book about this as well. And it's for

665
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.839
you basically go into it's a room full of strangers.

666
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.440
Like it's very structured. It's maybe twice a month, like

667
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.119
the fee for the year is not crazy at all.

668
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.119
What you learn is amazing. And I signed myself up

669
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.480
for something called a table topic, and you're basically signing

670
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.279
your life away. It's like maybe if there's five six

671
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.279
people and they give you a random topic. And I

672
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.440
remember I was the first one that was picked and

673
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.279
they asked me, so Gary, why should ant Man win

674
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:15.039
an Oscar go? And that was the longest two minutes

675
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.160
of my life, Like I froze. I didn't know what

676
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.799
to say, and then I sat down and they gave

677
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.680
me like constructive criticism. Should we say what you did well?

678
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.960
What you could improve on? And then I saw the

679
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.880
next speaker and they were asked a similar crazy question,

680
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.559
but they had a structure like they asked the audience

681
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.160
a question, they pause, they I could clearly see that

682
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.759
they had learned the structure this. So after attending more

683
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.680
and more these then I realized, Okay, there is a

684
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.880
structure like I could pause, I could ask the audience

685
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.440
a question. I could have done anything except for what

686
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.880
I did. And I didn't see ant Man at the time,

687
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:51.680
but I knew that, say, Phoebe's boyfriend and friends was

688
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.880
in there, so I could have said, I've not seen that,

689
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:54.720
but I know Phoebe.

690
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:55.920
I could have done anything.

691
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.559
And then what I discovered was like if you then

692
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.680
went to say, an interview like something like a table

693
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.039
topic can help you because you're going to get thrown

694
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.759
a random question, so it can help you with a structure,

695
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.159
and maybe you flip the question back on the interviewer

696
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.599
or you take it in loads of different ways ask

697
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.360
them to repeat the question. So for me, everyone should

698
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.480
definitely attend that if you're looking to progress your career.

699
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.360
And then in terms of AI like even honestly, the

700
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.960
title of this book was helped a little bit by

701
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.559
chat GBT, but I gave chatchy BT the context. I said,

702
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.960
this is like what my book is about, and there

703
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.199
was almost like a back and forth conversation between me

704
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.599
and chat GBT and ultimately then we came up with

705
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.599
built by lessons and the subtitle as well. But I

706
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.599
did have to get a human too, bolds the ure.

707
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.559
So the bold is on the your because he was like,

708
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.559
it's missing one thing. So like I said, it's using AI,

709
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.159
it's using other human beings, and yeah, that's my answer

710
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:53.079
probably for that one.

711
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.400
Yeah, the emotions. You have to have the emotions connected

712
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.440
to it. So yet the AI has not become centennial

713
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.639
to act as use the emotion. And I've just wanted

714
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.079
to say that it is so true that we need

715
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.519
to have that merge that can make us better. And interestingly,

716
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.119
there was this podcast host nas Daily, so he used

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in the recent time, he used some AI to have

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some actors playing things that yet he's talking about, and

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his crowd didn't like it at all. Everybody wanted him

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in the natural setting. He used to walk around and

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talk about those things, but then he became bringing in

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all those AI actors and stuff, which people did not

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like because it took away the authenticity from the whole thing.

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So sometime it might work, sometime it can accentuate and

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sometimes it might not at all work with the AI.

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Gary. My last question in wrapping up O well, sir,

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John and I do a weekly call and accountability call

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it and your Table Talk. I've been to a few

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Toastmasters and they do a great job. We learned from

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a communication coach many years ago on our podcast an

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activity called the random word, which is a little bit shorter.

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It's basically where you give the other person a word

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and they have to talk about it for a certain

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period of time. For John and I, we do it

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for forty five seconds and you got to say the

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word three times. The amazing thing is because I do

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breakout sessions at conferences, and when I first started sharing that,

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I would let them go and I would not be

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the example because but John and I have done it

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so often now I put myself on the spot and

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I've become very good at it. So it's a great point.

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And just getting those types of activities in your life,

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like jumping into that cold water, it's that part I

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haven't done yet, Gary, but maybe someday. I have started

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to turn my shower down at the end. But I

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have one last question. I know John will wrap it up,

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but I do want to thank you for your great

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insights today and we really appreciate your time and your wisdom.

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But you've mentioned Win Hoff, Tony Robbins, you mentioned a

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book that you read. No Personal development was something you

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said I read in your bio. So if you were

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to share with a young leader, maybe one book or

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00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.119
one person you would recommend, maybe one of each the

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foul to learn from to be a better leader. Who

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would you recommend?

756
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I think ye had books. This is a very tough question,

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so this is why you saved it for last. I

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think that How to Win Friends and Influence People by

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Dale Carnegie. It is a really good book, and it

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sets the foundation and sets the basics, and I think

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in terms of a person to follow, I mentioned Tony

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Robbins already, so I won't mention him, but I think

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Jim Roan is someone who I go back and forth

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with quite a lot, and he was obviously the mentor

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00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.800
for Tony Robbins, so I would say Jim Rohan. And

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I also have to give credit to There's a guy

767
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called Grank Cardone and people either love him or hate him,

768
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.199
but what he did for me and my sales career

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was amazing I don't know the guy personally, but just

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the motivation that I got from reading and listening to

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00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.559
his stuff was really good. So I have to acknowledge

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him in that.

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I gotta make one comment because my wife is kidded me.

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00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.679
Jim Rohn passed away in two thousand and nine, and

775
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.039
we actually had his manager, Kyle Wilson on our podcast.

776
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.280
I was a huge Jim Ron and my wife is

777
00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.360
kidding me for years that you could keep his seminars

778
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.079
going because I listened to so much of his program

779
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.840
that I could repeat Jim Ron. So I appreciate you

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00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.480
bringing him up because he's been passed away for a

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00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.360
long time, but he certainly was a treasure chest of insight.

782
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.360
So John, let's wrap it up with Gary.

783
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Yeah, sounds good.

784
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Gary.

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So obviously we got those great people to look up to,

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but we also have you two.

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You do a lot of different things.

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First of all, your book, how do we get that

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because we know those stories are valuable to those young

790
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.400
and emerging leaders, And how do we get in touch

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with you or learn more about you?

792
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:56.679
Yeah?

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Sure. The book is called Built by Lessons and it's

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on Amazon, so that's the only platform that it's on

795
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.320
now so you can grab it on Amazon, and then

796
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.760
I typically hang out on LinkedIn, so at Gary Daily

797
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:09.920
Sales or if you just search me in LinkedIn, you

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00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.280
should find me and that they're pretty much the two

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main places that all hang out.

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On LinkedIn and that book up on Amazon. Those links

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00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.519
down in the show notes too, so you can connect

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00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.039
with Gary and learn more about Gary. And if you've

803
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.519
learned a lot about Gary, let him know. We would

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00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.119
love for you to reach out to Gary and tell

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00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.760
him how much you learned here on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.

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And we'd also appreciate if you shared this episode with somebody,

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whether it's somebody who's mentioned diving into a cold shower,

808
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.159
somebody who's mentioned public speaking, anybody who wants to learn

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00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:43.960
more about these topics, which I think are transferable for

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00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.920
all young and emerging leaders. So Gary, we can't thank

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you enough for your time today on The Limitless Leadership Lounge.

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We learned so much from you, man. We look forward

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00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.119
to staying in touch.

814
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:53.920
Thank you so much.

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And yeah, as I said, I learned a lot from

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00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:57.800
all three of you as well, so I really appreciate it.

817
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.800
Thank you for joining us this week at the Limitless

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Leadership Lounge. To listen to this episode again and to

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find previous episodes, check us out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

820
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.480
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We'll be back again next week for another try generational

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leadership discussion. We'll talk to you then on the Limitless

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