The Hidden Cost of Fragmented School Communication (and How to Fix It)

Jeffrey Bradbury (00:00)

Hello everybody and welcome to the TeacherCast educational network. My name is Jeff Bradbury. Thank you so much for joining us today and making TeacherCast your home for professional development. On this episode of Digital Learning today, we're going to be talking all about AI and how you can prepare not only your staff, but your students to be prepared for the upcoming school year. We'll talk a little bit about what applications you should or shouldn't use and how best you can share that with your community, teachers and students.

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Jeffrey Bradbury (01:45)

My guest today is the K-12 technology director in Missouri, where he has over 20 years of experience leading school districts and their technology programs. He's also the founder of K-12 TechPro, a community focused on supporting school technology departments. And he also is the co-host of the K-12 Tech Talk podcast, which is really, really good, where he shares insights on cybersecurity, ed tech trends and real world challenges. It is a pleasure to bring on today to the show.

Mr. Chris Warden. Chris, how are you today? Welcome to the show. It is great to have you here today. Thanks so much for coming on the show. For those of you who aren't quite familiar with the show and for your channel, who is Chris Warden?

Chris (02:14)

Yeah, what's up? How's it going?

Well, what you just said was a lot. And I'm not used to hearing that, but yeah, I'm a tech director at a small town, south of St. Louis in Missouri. We have 2000 kids, 200 staff. I've been doing K-12 tech for like 20 years. And then in the midst of all that, about 10 or so years ago in Missouri, there wasn't a great tech department conference. So me and some others started one. So we do Midwest Tech Talk.

You can check out Midwest TechTalk.com. We do two conferences, a cybersecurity one in March in Missouri and then down at Lake of the Ozarks. If you've watched that show Ozark on Netflix, it's nothing like that, but that's the place. We do a tech conference at Lake of the Ozarks in July. A couple hundred techs, all K-12 techs. So not really so much principles or teacher thing, just tech departments. And we just try to do professional development. And then in the midst of all that stuff.

Started the K12 Tech Talk podcast with some others. We do weekly episodes and we get into arguments and banter about trending K12 technology topics and issues. And then you mentioned that K12 Tech Pro thing. That's a community. There's 1,400 K12 techs on there. It's a vetted private community. have to prove that you're actively employed in a K12 tech department. It's message boards and chat rooms. And then we run, there's a K12 sysadmin subreddit. We run that thing as well.

Also, I'm a youth pastor on the side, happily married, have three kids, one in college, one just graduated, one is a fourth grader. So life, life is busy.

Jeffrey Bradbury (04:02)

Let's talk a little bit about where we are. It is the end of the school year. And I was talking to somebody about this recently, we are actually in a weird place in our school districts. Our sixth graders, which is half the school district on up are the COVID babies. Our fifth graders on down. We're not in school when COVID hit. So I want to ask you from the from the

Chris (04:05)

Ha ha ha.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeffrey Bradbury (04:27)

point of view of a tech director, what is it like these days? What are the things that are keeping you busy? What are the things that are keeping you up at night in your school district?

Chris (04:36)

Yeah, so

right now, a couple days of school left here. So we've been collecting Chromebooks. And is that funny thing? There's a big difference between the high schoolers when you collect Chromebooks versus the middle schoolers versus the small kids, the little kids are still like so excited that they have this device. They don't want to turn it in. We've had kids that get teary eyed because you know, they have to turn on their Chromebook for the summer.

Versus the high school kid, those COVID kids, they're pretty over their device. They're ready for some free summer, ready for the free spirit of what the summer is going to give them. ⁓ What keeps me up at night with all that lately has been the lots of screen time legislation and lots of people that aren't necessarily in schools starting to tell schools that they've been doing it wrong with too many apps or too many websites or too much screen.

There's been a lot of conversation amongst techs about what's the right and what's the wrong of that? I think that's what my head's wrestling with as far as a K-12 tech thing right now.

Jeffrey Bradbury (05:45)

Well, you know, there's still a lot of school districts out there that are coming off of the COVID bubble. There's still a lot of districts that are dealing with. I don't know. Let's just pick a number 250 to 300 applications that are either free or paid or you know, you still have the school districts out there with multiple ways of doing graphics, multiple ways of doing slide decks, multiple, you all those different categories here. What's your secret? How do you tackle it for your school district? You said you have about 2000 students.

How do you figure out between you and your team what to keep what not to keep? I would imagine you're looking obviously for the best bang for the buck, but you're also looking for applications out there that are going to serve multiple purposes. would imagine.

Chris (06:29)

Yeah, we actually that's a great question. And we don't know each other, Jeff. So you asked me this is really interesting. We started an AI committee, like a year ago, and we thought it was only going to be talking about AI. But instead, it kind of morphed. And we started talking about all of our apps and all of our websites in general. And we landed on this is the first year we've ever done where we vet

⁓ all the applications and websites, even Chrome extensions, everything that we use. ⁓ We came up now with a list of what is approved ⁓ for our faculty staff, for our students to use. ⁓ It took us a long time to like make the list because obviously there's a lot of stuff that we were already cool with. But we came up with a long list of like, here is the app that we fully support that you can do a tech ticket.

If this thing isn't working, that you can talk to your curriculum department on how to create the proper content within this thing. ⁓ Those are all listed. And then we have a list of here are things that we're okay with you using, but we don't fully support it. ⁓ So here's a website, you can use it all day teacher. But if it's down, if it's not working, you can't expect to do a tech ticket and we come in and save the day because we're not paying money for that thing. We're not using that thing.

And then that made us of course have a list of, it's not like a posted list, but now if it's not on those, that big list, then you shouldn't be using it. So we've started to trim a lot of those apps and websites that we were using during the COVID days and right after when, funding was great. We've really gotten back to here's, here's the, here's the way shorter list, but it's not that short. There's still a lot of resources that we have.

And then with that too, there's a layer with ⁓ the curriculum department. Here's the list ⁓ of if you're going to make so go back to the AI piece. If you're going to make content with AI, here's the list of what you need to go through for the approval of that worksheet that you created. That that kind of thing.

Jeffrey Bradbury (08:43)

What goes into building

that I would imagine curricular view, I would imagine budget, and I would also imagine the ability to properly give professional development on these. Is there anything else that I'm missing on here? Like, how can you narrow that list down and then basically put your stamp to your staff and your community going, we are a okay for this, we are kind of okay for this, but that when you're on your own for and that when I'm shutting down completely like,

Chris (08:55)

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, we we came up we came up I think it's like 1012 questions ⁓ that so if a if method if if Mrs. Smith goes to some conference, a great PD conference and she comes back with some website that she thinks is just going to rock the world. She can do a ticket. And that goes to the tech department and the curriculum department. And we have like 12 questions that we're going to examine on that website.

Jeffrey Bradbury (09:12)

Who's in those meetings?

Okay.

Chris (09:40)

So a lot of what you just said, but then some questions around student data privacy, some questions around, know, yeah, like what do they do with the data that we're putting in there? Does it need data put in there? We have some questions around how the accounts are made. So if it uses Clever, if it's going to be Google single sign on, we have some questions like that that ⁓ matter to us. And then we look and see do we already have something that's on that supported list?

That's pretty close to what this thing is that you're wanting to do. ⁓ Because we've had a lot of people ask for things and we ended up saying no, just because we already have another great tool in place that does that thing. And again, that was kind of on us that we weren't, we haven't evangelized enough of here's all the things that we want you to use as a, as a school employee or as a student.

Jeffrey Bradbury (10:32)

imagine there are some applications that do multiple things that are very good for your district that maybe certain teachers aren't fully aware that they do all of these things. Maybe they didn't know a couple things, but not quite everything. One of them is of course, rise vision. I know you guys have been using rise vision for a while. Talk to us a little bit about what rise vision is to your district and how you guys have deployed it. District wide.

Chris (10:59)

Yeah, we've used

RiseVision for a couple of years now. ⁓ Prior to RiseVision, we had a bunch of Google slideshows plugged into some TVs with some Chrome boxes or Chrome bits. That Chrome sign builder, all that kind of stuff was getting outdated. It was going away. So we needed a different solution. And the way we did that previously, too, ⁓ that relied on us making a whole lot of content. So we moved to RiseVision.

So we had some supported stuff. Again, if this is fully supported, we can talk to Rise Vision. We can get support from Rise Vision. But Rise Vision has a lot of content already created. ⁓ So rather than have an outdated ⁓ calendar up on the screen, Rise Vision syncs with our stuff and we have up-to-date events on there now. ⁓ Small things like the weather, like joke of the day, that stuff is auto-populated in there and that's great. ⁓

When we have a book fair, new book releases coming out, if our theater is doing something special, used to the old way, the tech department was pretty heavily involved with what was up on the, with what was up on the TVs. But now we have that segmented out that our building offices, our librarians, particular teachers, they can control that content. And then most recently, so we use Raptor for our student safety stuff. And that has an interface.

with Rise Vision as well. So when we go into a fire alarm or an intruder drill, that shows up on our TVs too. So yeah, we've had some good luck with Rise Vision. And that's let us trim some of the fat some of the applications that we had that were extra previously to

Jeffrey Bradbury (12:40)

And that's such important information for people that are out there, like finding the stuff that is going to work, work every time, work across multiple buildings, but also provide the content for you. As you mentioned, people are going to walk into your building, they're going to see the calendar, they're going to see the birthdays, they're going to see the joke of the day, all of that great stuff. But when there's an emergency, it's built right in there to attack every single classroom, every single administrator gets to see something.

And I mean, I know when I was running a school district for a little bit, we were using Rise Vision also. And so you can certainly check out all that great stuff over at RiseVision.com. Now, Chris, let's talk a little bit about where we're going. You had mentioned AI. Obviously, there's this huge argument right now. Should teachers be using it? How should teachers be using it? But most importantly, students, where should, in your opinion, we be right now?

when it comes to deploying, let's just start with Gemini, but any kind of AI. I'll tell you upfront, I'm of the belief that we need to be doing PD on it constantly, because it's always changing. We need to be doing PD for students, not just, you know, lessons in the classroom. But I'd love to see an actual day where everybody comes in the cafeteria, we try like, PD for students. But also, there's so many different versions of AI, there's

AI for LLMs, there's AI for taking notes, there's AI for making presentations and slide decks. Certain things are good, certain things we need to discuss. What's your thoughts on all of this? And especially when it comes down to what should students be allowed to be using?

Chris (14:20)

Yeah, so again,

with that AI committee, ⁓ and I'm pretty big on not all about committees, but I'm pretty big on having a committee that we can let steer the ship for the school district. So my school district, we've done like a phone system committee when we're going to go to a new phone system. And that wasn't like me blowing smoke about, I care about the secretaries and what they think about the phones, I really do care. So when it came to AI, I wanted the teachers to tell us

to tell tech department, to tell curriculum department where they wanted our ship to go. Any of the conferences that I've been attending in the last couple of years, AI of course is the hot topic. That easy sentence of it's not going away and it's not. And there was just that reality on the committee. We can be afraid of it and how it's gonna change K-12, but it's literally here.

And we can block it all day at school. But students are using it at home. My son as the great example, he was a senior this year, taking a lot of college classes. He was absolutely using AI. So I got to that place for myself personally. I'm doing a disservice if I if I keep sticking with this thing, well, we're not ready for it yet. Because what we're having is kids use it without

an adult teaching them ethics or teaching them how to put in the prompt. ⁓ So our committee ended up picking a solution that we could do the whole fully supported thing. You can do a tech ticket. You can use it with curriculum. ⁓ We just spun that up towards the end of the school year. So we did at my school district. ⁓ High school ⁓ now has access to that particular service, and we brought in every single student.

And again, smaller school districts. So I would say figure out what's going to work for your school district, figure out what's going to work with your school's culture, too. For us, it was running through our ELA classes to come into our library. And we gave every single high school student towards the end of the year an A.I. lesson. And then we gave them like a sandbox to play in with the librarian and those teachers watching through on how to do a prompt on how these different tools are going to work. ⁓

our district had figured out its policy and its regulation on AI usage. So we made sure that the students knew what that was, knew what that stance was. So I would say if you're listening and your district doesn't have a policy yet, that's where you should get started because your kids are using it. So they need to know what is proper use and what and what isn't. So we ran every high school kid through that. And then at the same time, at our middle school and high school,

We're having our faculty staff

run through an AI lesson as well that explains the policy that shows proper use. So we're landing on ⁓ just like the, we want to get to a place where AI is just like everything else. We pick what we fully support. You know, we know what tools we use. ⁓ So we've added those couple of things to that vetted approved list.

Jeffrey Bradbury (17:30)

Yeah.

Chris (17:40)

And then next school year, the school year will start, we'll do a review lesson, but that will just be a part of the school. ⁓ And how that works for us too is if you're in Mrs. Smith's class, and she gives an assignment, if she doesn't tell you that AI should be used with that assignment, then the student should be, it should just be a known thing that that means that she expects no AI to be used. But if next door,

Mr. Smith, if he gives an assignment, and he wants AI to be used, he's going to tell you just as previous he a teacher would say, Hey, I want you to use this website for this, I allow open book for this, whatever the teacher is going to let the kid know what tools they're going to use for the particular things. And we're going to get to that and that and big picture that's important to me too. We have a lot of kids that don't have access to that stuff at home. Again, my son

Yeah, he has a computer at home. His dad's the tech director at the school. He's got a phone. He's got a bunch of devices. But we have a lot of kids that don't have that kind of access. And there's a big disservice there. If we're not prepping these kids up literally for the future that they're going to be in.

Jeffrey Bradbury (18:51)

So two quick questions on to that. Number one, the lessons that you're giving your teachers and the lesson that you were rotating into the English classes. Was that found somewhere or was that something that your district created and brought out? Where did you find all that material?

Chris (19:08)

So it's magic school. So it was, was, was two, twofold. ⁓ Magic school had some PD that they gave us. And then that AI committee in particular, the librarians helped us shape and make a lesson. So we pushed those things together. That AI committee was comprised of the best folks that we thought we could have.

that helped us take a stance on AI. So they helped us develop those lessons.

Jeffrey Bradbury (19:33)

That's fantastic. And overall, were you finding that the kids were engaged in this because it was, you know, the thing to do or were the kids more involved with it than the teachers were? Like how did you when you were sitting in the back of the room watching teachers go through something and watching students go through something? I guess this is a silly question here, Chris. Who was the most well behaved?

Chris (19:52)

Yeah, so really funny because I got to sit ⁓ in the back of the room for one of those lessons and really take it in. The whole time of the committee prepping and then us getting feedback from our teachers was they were mostly concerned about students using AI, right? ⁓ Yes. And then when in that in that room that I was in, when when the lesson was being given to the students, the librarian asked about their concerns.

Jeffrey Bradbury (20:11)

The Cheating Factor.

Chris (20:21)

And the students primary concerns was about how the teachers are going to use it. Because they don't want the teacher just generating a worksheet without really looking at it well. They don't want to write an essay and the teacher just use AI to review it. You know, they want the human touch still going on from that teacher side. So funny because both both parties nervous about what the other one's going to do with the new tool. Yep.

Jeffrey Bradbury (20:45)

Isn't that interesting? You know,

and I look at that too from the classroom side, because now Google Classroom has all these AI feedback features. I'm not touching any of them. Right? I tried pushing buttons here or there. I tried it having, you know, come up. I just, I'm not using those. that takes me away from my students. I don't want that.

Chris (21:05)

Yeah, I-

I

asked the librarian about that particular question, you because she asked that same question every time. And that was the vibe through every single lesson with every single group that came in, the students expressing their concerns about the teacher using that AI stuff as a substitute to themselves. Super interesting. And valid. That's legit. That's good.

Jeffrey Bradbury (21:27)

Now, if on a right

now, now if on a Google Doc, where it has the comments section on the side, if there I can get the button that says formalize proof and like, that would be cool, then I can write you all the comments and just have a hit the button that says make the sound better. But at least it's my work. It's at least it's my thoughts to that student. And there's a I mean, that's interesting that you had your so let's break this down for those listening.

Chris (21:44)

Yes.

Jeffrey Bradbury (21:55)

2000 in the district, roughly how many per grade level like what when you're saying everybody in the high school, couple hundred people, right? So that's, that's that's a big size. But that's that's pretty, there's a couple hundred right there.

Chris (22:00)

Yeah, a couple hundred. Yep.

Yeah, say 100, say 3, 400 kids.

Jeffrey Bradbury (22:10)

Excellent. Where do you see this going for your district? Are you looking to open this up past high school? I'm asking both as the middle school teacher and also as the parent of three sixth graders. And I also want to ask this other question here. So number one, where are you in terms of moving it down to middle school at any level? And number two, is it an all or nothing thing at the high school? Or are you saying

And forgive me people who are listening to this regular ed students are getting it but special ed students are like there's all these considerations

Chris (22:48)

Yep. Yeah. So next year, ⁓ middle school, high school teachers, you know, they've had that training so they can they can deliver whatever tools ⁓ within so any application that we have listed, going back to that vetted thing, if it has an AI piece, that teacher can then deliver that tool as they so choose as they so assign. ⁓ No matter what class it is, it's that's that teacher. ⁓

discernment, discretion, and then working with curriculum department, of course, as well that it just makes sense to be delivered that way. So then the student has access to those things. Again, the policy would say that the handbook would say as long as the teachers assigning it. So if the teachers assigning it, the kid can use it. And, and we're just going to start the year off with that for it's going to be for high school, but for middle school too. At the lower elementaries, I think it looks different.

⁓ because I don't think, yeah, we're not going to have like a third grader typing out a prompt. but AI looks a little bit different. So, you know, you could do an AI chat bot, where you have the chat bot, whatever, pointed to Clifford, the big red dog book. and the kid does get to type in a prompt, Hey Clifford, whatever. And then it's going to answer back and that's AI.

Jeffrey Bradbury (24:13)

Yeah, as I said at the same time, any Google search right now is Gemini. Right. So I mean, I'm

Chris (24:16)

Yeah. Yeah. So some of that is

going to happen whether it's we're calling it AI doesn't, know, at the at the at the front of it. Those elementary kids aren't going to even maybe realize that they're working with AI as much as the middle school, high school kids are. But we're slow. I would say we're slow. I would say that the talk about the AI committee and steering the ship. ⁓ I would say through that whole thing.

Jeffrey Bradbury (24:34)

talking today

Chris (24:44)

like, hey, guys, the district pays me to be excited about this. So I'm like, ready, like, let's go. But the ship is moving slower, but at the proper pace, because we just need to make sure that we have PD in place. And again, even that our kids, our students know the expectations of the use.

Jeffrey Bradbury (25:05)

Talking today with Chris Warden, K-12 technology director from the great state of Missouri. And Chris, at the top of the show, we had mentioned that you are a ⁓ leader, if you will, of some really amazing professional learning for tech directors. Talk to us a little bit about the programs that you're running. Talk to us a little bit about K-12 Tech Pro. You said there's about 1,300, 1,400 or so users. How does somebody get in touch with you?

who is a tech director, how does somebody get set up with your community?

Chris (25:37)

Yeah, cool. So I would say three things to check out that I'm just blessed to to be a part of. The first is Midwest Tech Talk. That's midwesttechtalk.com. So those are conferences that we do in the Midwest, but in particular in Missouri, but we have folks from Nebraska come on down, folks from Illinois, Arkansas. So if you're in the Midwest, come on down and hang out with us. ⁓ That event is in July, you can check out that at midwesttechtalk.com.

I'll plug Rise Vision again. They are the official digital signage of Midwest Tech Talk. So pretty cool. We're going to have signs all throughout our conference that have the schedule running through that have all the events running through that have helped people get from each room. ⁓ So Rise Vision, a sponsor of that thing. And then we have K12 Tech Talk. That's a podcast. K12TechTalkPodcast.com. There's three of us that do that. We do weekly episodes. It's for tech departments.

So weekly episodes, we always do a new segment at the beginning. And then we usually have a couple of listener questions there and we do some interviews. We've been doing that since way before, just before COVID hit was when we started. Two of us are from Missouri and then another guy from Massachusetts. The two of us from Missouri, I'm in a school district of 2000. The other guy's at a school district of like 3000. And then the other guy was at a school district of 50,000. So you get the whole spread of small to large.

school district there. And then the last thing is if you're a K-12 tech listening, we have K-12 Tech Pro. That's k12techpro.com. It's a vetted private community. It's just message boards and chat rooms and we do weekly video calls. There's 1400 of us on there. We have techs in every state. There's like one tech in Hawaii, two techs in Alaska, and we're in some other countries too. So we're just techs hanging out, talking through just like we did today, Jeff, just talking through tech problems, talking shop.

just trying to help each other out.

Jeffrey Bradbury (27:36)

We're going to make sure that we have the links to that and everything that we've discussed today over on our podcast show notes. You can of course head on over to teachercast.net slash podcast to learn more. And Chris, before I let you go, I promised you this before we hit the recording. I want to ask you a little bit about your podcast. You know, I love having podcasters on. see so much amazing stuff happening in the video screen here. I always love talking to people who also have the headphones on and they've got the great look in my fruit fruit fruit.

Chris (28:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jeffrey Bradbury (28:04)

for school districts. Let's break this apart for a second here. Let's talk Chris, the school district.

Should a school district be creating content like this? I think the answer you're going to tell me is yes. what's the point? Are teachers in your district really liking and subscribing to a show like like what? How do you prepare to create content for your own teachers?

Chris (28:17)

a thousand percent yes.

I hope my teachers don't listen to my podcast because sometimes I complain about them. Just kidding. Maybe. No, but we love content. And actually when I was growing up, ⁓ my school district in high school, it was like a TV class and they would rotate you through, you know, if you're going to be the news anchor or if you were going to be the writer or if you were going to be the one that was doing the recording. And man, I would say I learned a lot. I learned a lot through that.

Jeffrey Bradbury (28:32)

Yeah.

Chris (28:58)

and a lot of different skills ⁓ through that. anytime you can have a student create anything, there's some there's some really good stuff in there. So yeah, over the years of having a podcast, I've been approached several times by schools asking about how to get started with their own. And usually I just say, mean, get a cheap mic. You can record this thing with zoom if you want to ⁓ just get started because kids will love love

making something.

Jeffrey Bradbury (29:30)

What are you using right now? I see a nice microphone in front of you. see some good stuff there. What do you, what's in your studio?

Chris (29:35)

Yeah, I got a Yeti microphone. I think it's a Yeti headset too. And then we do Riverside and I think that that's what you do too as well for our recording.

Jeffrey Bradbury (29:43)

been using Riverside for a couple of years now and I've got my Yeti microphone is right behind me. I love that thing and highly recommend that for schools and anybody getting started up because you can put it right in the middle of that table and every teacher every student and it works on Chromebooks. It's all there and it's all easy to do for more information about the great things that Chris is doing. Head on over to K12 tech pro dot com Midwest tech talk dot com and of course K12 tech talk podcast dot com.

We're going to make sure that we have everything over in our show notes. Chris, as we head into the summertime, as we head into that ISTE season, as we head into conferences, what's your advice for anybody in the tech director seat as we start to look ahead for the next school year? Give us our last piece of advice here before we sign off.

Chris (30:31)

Find your community, whether it's the couple of techs in your area. Try to get together at least quarterly, again, to hang out, trash talk on teachers, whatever you need to do. But community is important. Find that community within your state. Find that community bigger than that too. But have people that you can talk to, talk to your problems. There's a lot of one person tech departments out there. Don't do that stuff alone. And I did that stuff alone for a while.

Your headspace is a whole lot better when you have other people to talk to. So find your community.

Jeffrey Bradbury (31:05)

That is such good advice. And if you guys are looking for some great communities out there, there are many that are listed over on teachercast.net. You can of course check out all the great stuff we have for instructional coaches over at yourdigitalearningcoach.com. And of course you can find links for GEG Instructional Coach, our ISTE Coaches Network, and so many others, great things that are over there on yourdigitalearningcoach.com. Hope you guys have a chance to check it out. And of course, check out our newsletter. Chris.

Thank you so much for coming on the show. It was great to meet you. I hope we can do this again soon. And of course, we want to say thank you to our sponsors for this afternoon. RiseVision, check them out over at risevision.com. RiseVision helps you communicate, teach and improve safety affordably with easy cloud-based digital signage, screen sharing and emergency alerts, all backed by world-class support and flexible hardware options. It is an amazing platform. Check them out today over at RiseVision.

Chris (31:32)

Yeah, thank you.

Love it.

Jeffrey Bradbury (31:59)

And that wraps up this episode of Digital Learning today on behalf of Chris and everybody here on TeacherCast. My name is Jeff Bradbury, reminding you guys to keep up the great work in your classrooms and continue sharing your passions with your students.